Ledbury's cafes close too early

First published in Letters

NOT for the first time this afternoon have I been approached by visitors to Ledbury who after 4pm in the day have asked me where they can get a snack and a cup of tea or coffee.

Reason? All the cafes are closed or in the process of closing at 4.30pm.

The last time I bothered to have a quick cuppa at 4.15pm I was told by the member of staff on duty quite sharply, "We are closing in 15 minutes" as though it was a great intrusion to even think of taking a breather and having a quick drink to refresh myself while waiting for the bus.

If this is Ledbury cafe owners' way of encouraging people to come and visit this fair town then their are guilty of gross complacency, in my humble view.

I myself often look for a place to have a coffee in the mornings when I occasionally come into Ledbury to do early shopping, but find many places don't even bother open their doors before 10am.

What is the point of opening at all if you are then closing halfway through the afternoon!

I suggest cafe owners take a trip over the English Channel, where you can get service from at least 8am (if not earlier) to early evening and later.

I am not suggesting the same needs to apply here, but I think if you are going to provide a food and beverage service and attract visitors to the town it would be nice to be open from at least 9am to 5.30pm

Barry Watson

Bartestree

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1:00pm Thu 8 May 14

drewinledbury says...

I guess cafes open when is best for business. thankfully most of Ledbury's businesses seem to be owner run so they are probably working a couple of hours either side of opening getting things prepared and cleared up?

However, I walk to the station at 7am and you can get fresh coffee at at the Cafe behind Nat west and The Muse Cafe is open till 5:30.
I guess cafes open when is best for business. thankfully most of Ledbury's businesses seem to be owner run so they are probably working a couple of hours either side of opening getting things prepared and cleared up? However, I walk to the station at 7am and you can get fresh coffee at at the Cafe behind Nat west and The Muse Cafe is open till 5:30. drewinledbury
  • Score: 7

4:41pm Thu 8 May 14

shazer101 says...

I am quite angry with this as I live in ledbury and I know of one cafe that I go to called NICE THINGS that open at 9 and close at around 5 maybe u should visit all the cafes a not just one or two on the main high street that u have
I am quite angry with this as I live in ledbury and I know of one cafe that I go to called NICE THINGS that open at 9 and close at around 5 maybe u should visit all the cafes a not just one or two on the main high street that u have shazer101
  • Score: 8

1:58pm Fri 9 May 14

drewinledbury says...

Don't get angry shazer101...any publicity for Ledbury's lovely High Street is good news!

You can bet that our coffee shops all pay tax on their income as well...
Don't get angry shazer101...any publicity for Ledbury's lovely High Street is good news! You can bet that our coffee shops all pay tax on their income as well... drewinledbury
  • Score: 5

4:37pm Sun 11 May 14

courtesycall says...

You can bet that our coffee shops all pay tax on their income as well...

They'd soon go broke if they did. They'd pay tax on their taxable profits, which isn't the same as income. Also, most likely they pay as little tax as possible. And if you are really concerned that they should pay tax then best to never tip in cash just in case they're not as honest as they should be and instead pocket the money.
You can bet that our coffee shops all pay tax on their income as well... They'd soon go broke if they did. They'd pay tax on their taxable profits, which isn't the same as income. Also, most likely they pay as little tax as possible. And if you are really concerned that they should pay tax then best to never tip in cash just in case they're not as honest as they should be and instead pocket the money. courtesycall
  • Score: -4

3:58pm Mon 12 May 14

drewinledbury says...

courtesycall wrote:
You can bet that our coffee shops all pay tax on their income as well...

They'd soon go broke if they did. They'd pay tax on their taxable profits, which isn't the same as income. Also, most likely they pay as little tax as possible. And if you are really concerned that they should pay tax then best to never tip in cash just in case they're not as honest as they should be and instead pocket the money.
...I think you missed the point somewhat
[quote][p][bold]courtesycall[/bold] wrote: You can bet that our coffee shops all pay tax on their income as well... They'd soon go broke if they did. They'd pay tax on their taxable profits, which isn't the same as income. Also, most likely they pay as little tax as possible. And if you are really concerned that they should pay tax then best to never tip in cash just in case they're not as honest as they should be and instead pocket the money.[/p][/quote]...I think you missed the point somewhat drewinledbury
  • Score: 2

4:17pm Tue 13 May 14

Deborah Baker says...

I have to say I think the point is this, obviously a tourist himself, which we shout about all the time is that we are a tourist industry led town, then perhaps instead of getting angry, or complaining about the very people who we want coming into our town and giving money over our counters to then benefit the very many jobs that are taken locally to provide those services, how about we thank him and say we note your concerns and will mention it at the next traders association meeting. Simple isnt it really!
I have to say I think the point is this, obviously a tourist himself, which we shout about all the time is that we are a tourist industry led town, then perhaps instead of getting angry, or complaining about the very people who we want coming into our town and giving money over our counters to then benefit the very many jobs that are taken locally to provide those services, how about we thank him and say we note your concerns and will mention it at the next traders association meeting. Simple isnt it really! Deborah Baker
  • Score: 1

12:05pm Wed 14 May 14

anab says...

i think its easy to get annoyed that somewhere isn't open when you want it to be ... however, its not so easy to get up at 6 am every morning, do 2 hours prep to be open at 8am, do breakfast, lunch, afternoon coffees, then go on til 6pm, then an hours clearing up, get home after 7pm, cook your dinner, see your kids/loved ones if your lucky, crash out and then get up and do it all again. I have never run a cafe, but I have friends who do, and I have done plenty of waitressing and kitchen work, and its hard unsociable, low paid, and often thankless hours.
Yes, in an ideal world everything would be available just when we want it, but it comes at a price, financially and socially. I bet if you asked most cafes how much money they took between 8 - 10am, and 4-6pm, (or sundays) and how much it cost them to stay open those extra hours, what's left wouldn't be enough to make many of us want to work those long hours (or give up those precious moments, say reading a bed time story to your kid). It has to be economically viable to be open, and if its not, your just beating yourself with a big stick!
Yes the self employed chose long hours and hard work, but they should also be allowed to choose what is and is not worthwhile, with out being labelled as 'not being bothered' or (ha) guilty of 'gross complacency' (seriously Barry, gross complacency ?). Maybe walk a mile in their shoes first, then criticise after?
i think its easy to get annoyed that somewhere isn't open when you want it to be ... however, its not so easy to get up at 6 am every morning, do 2 hours prep to be open at 8am, do breakfast, lunch, afternoon coffees, then go on til 6pm, then an hours clearing up, get home after 7pm, cook your dinner, see your kids/loved ones if your lucky, crash out and then get up and do it all again. I have never run a cafe, but I have friends who do, and I have done plenty of waitressing and kitchen work, and its hard unsociable, low paid, and often thankless hours. Yes, in an ideal world everything would be available just when we want it, but it comes at a price, financially and socially. I bet if you asked most cafes how much money they took between 8 - 10am, and 4-6pm, (or sundays) and how much it cost them to stay open those extra hours, what's left wouldn't be enough to make many of us want to work those long hours (or give up those precious moments, say reading a bed time story to your kid). It has to be economically viable to be open, and if its not, your just beating yourself with a big stick! Yes the self employed chose long hours and hard work, but they should also be allowed to choose what is and is not worthwhile, with out being labelled as 'not being bothered' or (ha) guilty of 'gross complacency' (seriously Barry, gross complacency ?). Maybe walk a mile in their shoes first, then criticise after? anab
  • Score: 3

8:48am Fri 16 May 14

Deborah Baker says...

Oh dear yet again, another person who decides instead of thanking him for feed back and saying why its not worth while opening, its lets go on the attack. Good business sense that!
Oh dear yet again, another person who decides instead of thanking him for feed back and saying why its not worth while opening, its lets go on the attack. Good business sense that! Deborah Baker
  • Score: -1

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