Equal treatment for the disabled – you pay more

THREE Counties Show organisers have been labelled “ridiculous” for a new policy of charging disabled people full admission to avoid “discriminating against” them.

Malvern town councillor Julian Roskams said he thought it was a joke when he got a leaflet from the showground, which is set to have 100,000 visitors this weekend, detailing its new policies.

Headed ‘Three Counties Showground Welcomes Disabled Visitors’, it says the Three Counties Agricultural Society “does not wish to discriminate against visitors with disabilities, so the full admission rate will be charged”.

Coun Roskams labelled the move as “political correctness gone mad”.

“Can anyone explain how charging a discounted rate is discrimination against, rather than discrimination in favour of the disabled?” he said.

“I imagine that there are some disabled people who would say they don’t want to be treated any differently, but at the same time disabled people obviously face much higher living costs and so I think it is reasonable they should be offered some reduction.

“The suggestion that they are discriminating by charging a lower price is utterly ridiculous.”

Although the showground says full-time carers can apply for a free ticket if they book in advance and provide proof, Coun Roskams called the venue’s approach “particularly mean-spirited”.

The decision has also been slammed by Jenette Davy, of Malvern Access, which works to ensure disabled people have the best access to premises and services.

“Somebody clearly has not thought this through,” she said. “I think the wording is atrocious and puts people’s backs up straight away.

“It has been settled for many years that any public venue has offered people with disabilities a concession. There are good reasons why people with disabilities get their concessions and I hope that they will rethink this.”

Sharon Gilbert, PR manager for the Three Counties Agricultural Society, said the idea was to operate “a fair policy, which can be applied equally to all those who are disabled”.

She said: “The Society does not wish to discriminate against visitors with disabilities, so we charge the full rate. If the visitor has a full-time carer or attendant, however, a free ticket is available for them when purchasing a standard price ticket in advance and on provision of supporting documentation.

“Our gate staff were being put in the untenable position of having to decide whether someone was disabled.

“We also believe that the system was subject to abuse. We have therefore amended our policy in common with other similar events and local and national visitor attractions.”

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9:30am Fri 15 Jun 12

THE FACTS says...

SIMPLE THE CARER GETS IN FREE ...THATS A 50% DISCOUNT
SIMPLE THE CARER GETS IN FREE ...THATS A 50% DISCOUNT THE FACTS
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6:03pm Fri 15 Jun 12

sarah and her chickens says...

I think the key to this problem is having to decide who has a disability. If Mr Roskams could suggest a good way for the gate staff to determine who is and is not disabled then perhaps the showground could change policy again.It is obvious if someone is in a wheelchair that they have a disability but how do you decide at the gate of the showground if someone has a mental disability.Maybe they are only in the wheelchair due to a temporary illness.They do offer carers a free ticket with supporting evidence . I think before attempting to make headline news a little fore thought into a viable solution would have been sensible .
I think the key to this problem is having to decide who has a disability. If Mr Roskams could suggest a good way for the gate staff to determine who is and is not disabled then perhaps the showground could change policy again.It is obvious if someone is in a wheelchair that they have a disability but how do you decide at the gate of the showground if someone has a mental disability.Maybe they are only in the wheelchair due to a temporary illness.They do offer carers a free ticket with supporting evidence . I think before attempting to make headline news a little fore thought into a viable solution would have been sensible . sarah and her chickens
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7:06pm Fri 15 Jun 12

jdRoskams says...

There are several aspects to this. The Showground attempted to justify the new policy on the grounds of fairness - that the disabled were being discriminated against because they were being charged a discounted rate. This is patently absurd: they were being discriminated in favour of, not against.
Though it would be wrong to generalise, it is undoubtedly the case that many disabled people face higher living costs than the able-bodied, and therefore it is fair to acknowledge this by charging a discretionary rate. We do the same for the young and the old - so why not for the disabled?
The free admission for full-time carers is welcome - but the rules are tightly drawn so that many of those who are effectively full-time carers would not qualify for free admission. By requiring pre-registration, extra obstacles are being put in the way of full-time carers.
I do understand that as result of the austerity measures that are being implemented by this government, many hard-working people are struggling for the essentials in life - let alone the luxuries. But I think it would be very sad if we were to lose our compassion for those who have been particularly hard hit by the cutbacks. The government is doing its best to ostracise those on benefit: we should have no part of it.
For the record, Ms Rouse, I was not attempting to make a headline. I wrote to the Gazette about this some weeks ago, and before the elction was called. And you are the Independent who does not believe in mud-slinging. It seems that you do not need to be party political to be political ... Let's keep politics out of this. This is about decency and compassion.
There are several aspects to this. The Showground attempted to justify the new policy on the grounds of fairness - that the disabled were being discriminated against because they were being charged a discounted rate. This is patently absurd: they were being discriminated in favour of, not against. Though it would be wrong to generalise, it is undoubtedly the case that many disabled people face higher living costs than the able-bodied, and therefore it is fair to acknowledge this by charging a discretionary rate. We do the same for the young and the old - so why not for the disabled? The free admission for full-time carers is welcome - but the rules are tightly drawn so that many of those who are effectively full-time carers would not qualify for free admission. By requiring pre-registration, extra obstacles are being put in the way of full-time carers. I do understand that as result of the austerity measures that are being implemented by this government, many hard-working people are struggling for the essentials in life - let alone the luxuries. But I think it would be very sad if we were to lose our compassion for those who have been particularly hard hit by the cutbacks. The government is doing its best to ostracise those on benefit: we should have no part of it. For the record, Ms Rouse, I was not attempting to make a headline. I wrote to the Gazette about this some weeks ago, and before the elction was called. And you are the Independent who does not believe in mud-slinging. It seems that you do not need to be party political to be political ... Let's keep politics out of this. This is about decency and compassion. jdRoskams
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8:03pm Fri 15 Jun 12

sarah and her chickens says...

A little fore thought by those involved in the article !!! It is fine to point out a problem but it always needs a solution to go with it.Not sure I understand the bottom bit though
A little fore thought by those involved in the article !!! It is fine to point out a problem but it always needs a solution to go with it.Not sure I understand the bottom bit though sarah and her chickens
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9:03pm Fri 15 Jun 12

jdRoskams says...

You make various assumptions. The fact is that I wrote to the Gazette some weeks ago; they did not run the letter and I thought no more about it. Then the Gazette phoned me, said they were investigating, and asked for me to comment - which I did. This happened before the election in which I am standing was called, and so this was not an attempt to grab headlines - as you have said. You are assuming too that because the Gazette did not report it that I had no solution. This is not the case. Many venues up and down the country - theme parks, country houses, sports grounds and others - provide discretionary rates for the disabled - and have in place a system of proving disability that seems to work for them, and causes no embarassment or difficulty for the disabled. I am not sure why the Three Counties Showground should find it so difficult.
So - I have pointed out the problem, and the solution is obvious and commonplace. I hope you will support me in calling on the Showground to reconsider.
You make various assumptions. The fact is that I wrote to the Gazette some weeks ago; they did not run the letter and I thought no more about it. Then the Gazette phoned me, said they were investigating, and asked for me to comment - which I did. This happened before the election in which I am standing was called, and so this was not an attempt to grab headlines - as you have said. You are assuming too that because the Gazette did not report it that I had no solution. This is not the case. Many venues up and down the country - theme parks, country houses, sports grounds and others - provide discretionary rates for the disabled - and have in place a system of proving disability that seems to work for them, and causes no embarassment or difficulty for the disabled. I am not sure why the Three Counties Showground should find it so difficult. So - I have pointed out the problem, and the solution is obvious and commonplace. I hope you will support me in calling on the Showground to reconsider. jdRoskams
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9:40pm Fri 15 Jun 12

sarah and her chickens says...

Indeed i do ,now we have clarity of the situation.That is why the internet comments are so important .They bring about a good discussion on a limited article.
The gazette did make much of your councillor status,was not aware you were in an election position.
Indeed i do ,now we have clarity of the situation.That is why the internet comments are so important .They bring about a good discussion on a limited article. The gazette did make much of your councillor status,was not aware you were in an election position. sarah and her chickens
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10:49pm Fri 15 Jun 12

jdRoskams says...

I couldn't agree more, Sarah. It's about sensible debate and not politics for the sake of it - party politics or otherwise.
And I must apologise for confusing you with one of my fellow candidates, Sarah Rouse: it must have been very galling for you. I had been told on good authority, some time ago, that you were one and the same. Perhaps my confusion came from this piece in the Gazette a year ago - when you appeared (to me anyway!) to be replying on behalf of Ms Rouse: http://www.malvernga
zette.co.uk/news/914
8410.Parking_notice_
causes_upset/

You have commented too in the past on the council's task and finish policy, which is something of an issue for her.

Sorry about that ....
I couldn't agree more, Sarah. It's about sensible debate and not politics for the sake of it - party politics or otherwise. And I must apologise for confusing you with one of my fellow candidates, Sarah Rouse: it must have been very galling for you. I had been told on good authority, some time ago, that you were one and the same. Perhaps my confusion came from this piece in the Gazette a year ago - when you appeared (to me anyway!) to be replying on behalf of Ms Rouse: http://www.malvernga zette.co.uk/news/914 8410.Parking_notice_ causes_upset/ You have commented too in the past on the council's task and finish policy, which is something of an issue for her. Sorry about that .... jdRoskams
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10:54pm Fri 15 Jun 12

sjones says...

I think that this is a perfectly fine decision by the show ground. Not all disabled people's living costs are more than those that aren't and in fact in this day and age the cost of living has risen for all.

The fact that, if the person requires a carer, their carer can enter free of charge is most acceptable and does in fact show consideration. Is it really that mean spirited to make someone book ahead?

At the end of the day however, I do feel that you have made the key point here in that you have previously pointed out that disabled rates are "discretionary".
I think that this is a perfectly fine decision by the show ground. Not all disabled people's living costs are more than those that aren't and in fact in this day and age the cost of living has risen for all. The fact that, if the person requires a carer, their carer can enter free of charge is most acceptable and does in fact show consideration. Is it really that mean spirited to make someone book ahead? At the end of the day however, I do feel that you have made the key point here in that you have previously pointed out that disabled rates are "discretionary". sjones
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11:02pm Fri 15 Jun 12

jdRoskams says...

Of course, I fully appreciate that point of view. By the same token, though, not all young people and older people are badly off - but they are usually entitled to discounted rates. Should those be removed too, just in case some of them are better off?
The full-time carer is entitled, as you say, to a free pass, assuming they were aware that they needed to book in advance and online: if they show up on the day without having done so, then they will get no concession. And many of those who work as full-time carers are not recognised as such - this is part of a much wider problem of course.
Many venues up and down the country recognise that the disabled face difficulties that the rest of us do not face - and that they have been among the hardest hit by the welfare cuts. If the Showground does not wish to do so, I would like to hear a comvincing justification.
Of course, I fully appreciate that point of view. By the same token, though, not all young people and older people are badly off - but they are usually entitled to discounted rates. Should those be removed too, just in case some of them are better off? The full-time carer is entitled, as you say, to a free pass, assuming they were aware that they needed to book in advance and online: if they show up on the day without having done so, then they will get no concession. And many of those who work as full-time carers are not recognised as such - this is part of a much wider problem of course. Many venues up and down the country recognise that the disabled face difficulties that the rest of us do not face - and that they have been among the hardest hit by the welfare cuts. If the Showground does not wish to do so, I would like to hear a comvincing justification. jdRoskams
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11:22pm Fri 15 Jun 12

sjones says...

In all honesty I do not believe that the young or older people should receive better rates either.

You mention welfare cuts and the impact that this has on people. Well, as far as I can see welfare payments were designed to allow for a better quality of life in regards to the essentials. Food, heating, rent/mortgage, care but not visiting a show which I would class as a luxury.

I am a single person who has no children, has no disabilities, works full time and receives no welfare. I pay my bills and rent etc which leaves very little left for luxuries, but that's ok. If I wanted to go, I would save up the £20 in preparation even if that is by putting £2 a month aside.

The principal here is that, of course people should receive financial help with the day to day costs of living if required but why should someone receive money off of a luxury because of their age or ability?

Fairness for all is all I'm saying.
In all honesty I do not believe that the young or older people should receive better rates either. You mention welfare cuts and the impact that this has on people. Well, as far as I can see welfare payments were designed to allow for a better quality of life in regards to the essentials. Food, heating, rent/mortgage, care but not visiting a show which I would class as a luxury. I am a single person who has no children, has no disabilities, works full time and receives no welfare. I pay my bills and rent etc which leaves very little left for luxuries, but that's ok. If I wanted to go, I would save up the £20 in preparation even if that is by putting £2 a month aside. The principal here is that, of course people should receive financial help with the day to day costs of living if required but why should someone receive money off of a luxury because of their age or ability? Fairness for all is all I'm saying. sjones
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11:25pm Fri 15 Jun 12

jdRoskams says...

Ok, that's fine. We are approaching it from a very different angle, so I suspect we are unlikely to agree.
But, an interestign discussion nevertheless.
Ok, that's fine. We are approaching it from a very different angle, so I suspect we are unlikely to agree. But, an interestign discussion nevertheless. jdRoskams
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1:40am Sat 16 Jun 12

sarah and her chickens says...

Seeing as how you have decided to disregard my rights on this site and to accuse me of political mudslinging you have the opinions of 2 others here yet you do not agree with them also. You mention task and finish and you have obviously done your research on me. So perhaps you could explain why the green party are happy to pay people for hours they do not work? Severn years ago the greens were contacted about this wasting of £ and I am still waiting for a return call. That is hundreds of thousands of pounds. You talk about understanding austerity but that money could have helped many people. It could even have bought the land around the youth centre! Just so you know they tried the idea of yours in your second gazette article for both hayslan field and the football fields with no luck but you never know ! Not that i don t think the fields should not be saved. They should be preserved if at all possible. In your third gazette article this week again the lack of importance of party politics was mentioned. Have to agree with that one ! So i know the council don t want me to win, and I am sure many councillors feel the same but I am doing this because I am actually speaking on behalf of those that have had enough of party politics, and brush offs and broken promises and just want to know how our money is really being spent and why decisions are really made.
Seeing as how you have decided to disregard my rights on this site and to accuse me of political mudslinging you have the opinions of 2 others here yet you do not agree with them also. You mention task and finish and you have obviously done your research on me. So perhaps you could explain why the green party are happy to pay people for hours they do not work? Severn years ago the greens were contacted about this wasting of £ and I am still waiting for a return call. That is hundreds of thousands of pounds. You talk about understanding austerity but that money could have helped many people. It could even have bought the land around the youth centre! Just so you know they tried the idea of yours in your second gazette article for both hayslan field and the football fields with no luck but you never know ! Not that i don t think the fields should not be saved. They should be preserved if at all possible. In your third gazette article this week again the lack of importance of party politics was mentioned. Have to agree with that one ! So i know the council don t want me to win, and I am sure many councillors feel the same but I am doing this because I am actually speaking on behalf of those that have had enough of party politics, and brush offs and broken promises and just want to know how our money is really being spent and why decisions are really made. sarah and her chickens
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5:34am Sat 16 Jun 12

sarah and her chickens says...

It is also a shame that you were so quick to attack me personally. I did try to deflect you from this but I think you misinterpreted me . I asked a question of you and i was critical of article. I think party political mud slinger ir a bit over the top.
It is also a shame that you were so quick to attack me personally. I did try to deflect you from this but I think you misinterpreted me . I asked a question of you and i was critical of article. I think party political mud slinger ir a bit over the top. sarah and her chickens
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9:34am Sat 16 Jun 12

AbbySBaggins says...

I have to say I agree with Sarah & her chickens comments about gate staff identifying the disabled - my nephew has an Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) and I would be very surprised if the gate staff could identify this from looking at him! I also think 'political mudslinger' is rather an extreme comment! But if you want some political mudslinging, maybe Mr Roskams could explain why he is so supportive of the 3 Counties Show when the Green party manifesto clearly states they are aiming to reduce intensive agriculture and limit live transport times for livestock. I personally have no issues with the 3 Counties Show but it would appear to involve a lot of unneccesary live transport of livestock.
I have to say I agree with Sarah & her chickens comments about gate staff identifying the disabled - my nephew has an Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) and I would be very surprised if the gate staff could identify this from looking at him! I also think 'political mudslinger' is rather an extreme comment! But if you want some political mudslinging, maybe Mr Roskams could explain why he is so supportive of the 3 Counties Show when the Green party manifesto clearly states they are aiming to reduce intensive agriculture and limit live transport times for livestock. I personally have no issues with the 3 Counties Show but it would appear to involve a lot of unneccesary live transport of livestock. AbbySBaggins
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10:49am Sat 16 Jun 12

Allan Whitehead says...

There are many issues in relation to persons with any type of disability. Yet we have various types of legislation for the protection of their rights. In almost all cases any persons with a permanent disability, which places them at a disadvantage to any able-bodied individual. Then there are rules in place enforceable by law. It even covers carers.
Quote “The Disability Discrimination Act 1995

The Disability Discrimination Act gives rights to disabled people to prevent discrimination on the grounds of disability. It is unlawful to discriminate in relation to employment, the provision of goods and services, the management, buying or renting of land or property, education and transport. The act was introduced over a period.

Carers (Recognition and Services) Act 1995

Carers' needs are recognised in this legislation. It gives the right to have their needs taken into consideration when services are being assessed under the NHS and Community Care Act for an individual they care for. “
Unquote.
I find that disabled person have so many provisions made for them. That any able-bodied Person who is pessimistic enough could consider themselves the ones to be discriminated against.
There are many issues in relation to persons with any type of disability. Yet we have various types of legislation for the protection of their rights. In almost all cases any persons with a permanent disability, which places them at a disadvantage to any able-bodied individual. Then there are rules in place enforceable by law. It even covers carers. Quote “The Disability Discrimination Act 1995 The Disability Discrimination Act gives rights to disabled people to prevent discrimination on the grounds of disability. It is unlawful to discriminate in relation to employment, the provision of goods and services, the management, buying or renting of land or property, education and transport. The act was introduced over a period. Carers (Recognition and Services) Act 1995 Carers' needs are recognised in this legislation. It gives the right to have their needs taken into consideration when services are being assessed under the NHS and Community Care Act for an individual they care for. “ Unquote. I find that disabled person have so many provisions made for them. That any able-bodied Person who is pessimistic enough could consider themselves the ones to be discriminated against. Allan Whitehead
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11:00am Sat 16 Jun 12

Allan Whitehead says...

Having read the articles re the “Three Counties Agricultural Show” Because some comments by MALVERN MP Harriett Baldwin. Gives this article a political connotation.
However, I note little electioneering in the comments of J.D. Roskams. Why, make representation for one section of society,
When the issue disabled access or payment is ever, mentioned certain individuals (Mostly Politicians) always enter the debate in an electioneering style. I note that the shows organisers have decided that they have withdrawn any concessionary entrance fee for disabled persons. However, provision is made for them to apply free entry due to their disability.
Yet Councillor J.D. Roskam accuses Malvern’s Member of Parliament, of not following up on some item he raised with her.
It seems that comments made by Sarah and her Chickens seem to upset Councillor Roskam. While I have some support for any disabled persons, you see the “Blue Badge” abused on so many occasions, that the disabled themselves become angry. Concession for Children and Elderly, and in some areas, Unwaged, have been around for some time, yet there are many types of disability, some are easy to recognise, others are undetectable by just looking at the individual.
Sarah and Her Chickens, I feel that Councillor J.D. Roskams comments aired very closely on Political Mud Slinging, so I feel he must be coming up for Election.
Having read the articles re the “Three Counties Agricultural Show” Because some comments by MALVERN MP Harriett Baldwin. Gives this article a political connotation. However, I note little electioneering in the comments of J.D. Roskams. Why, make representation for one section of society, When the issue disabled access or payment is ever, mentioned certain individuals (Mostly Politicians) always enter the debate in an electioneering style. I note that the shows organisers have decided that they have withdrawn any concessionary entrance fee for disabled persons. However, provision is made for them to apply free entry due to their disability. Yet Councillor J.D. Roskam accuses Malvern’s Member of Parliament, of not following up on some item he raised with her. It seems that comments made by Sarah and her Chickens seem to upset Councillor Roskam. While I have some support for any disabled persons, you see the “Blue Badge” abused on so many occasions, that the disabled themselves become angry. Concession for Children and Elderly, and in some areas, Unwaged, have been around for some time, yet there are many types of disability, some are easy to recognise, others are undetectable by just looking at the individual. Sarah and Her Chickens, I feel that Councillor J.D. Roskams comments aired very closely on Political Mud Slinging, so I feel he must be coming up for Election. Allan Whitehead
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2:47pm Sat 16 Jun 12

sarah and her chickens says...

sarah and her chickens wrote:
Indeed i do ,now we have clarity of the situation.That is why the internet comments are so important .They bring about a good discussion on a limited article.
The gazette did make much of your councillor status,was not aware you were in an election position.
Councillor Roskims seems to have taken exception to my wording was not aware you were in an election position.It probably should have read were they instead of was ....grammatical error on my part.I do apologise for all the upset that this seems to have generated for him
[quote][p][bold]sarah and her chickens[/bold] wrote: Indeed i do ,now we have clarity of the situation.That is why the internet comments are so important .They bring about a good discussion on a limited article. The gazette did make much of your councillor status,was not aware you were in an election position.[/p][/quote]Councillor Roskims seems to have taken exception to my wording was not aware you were in an election position.It probably should have read were they instead of was ....grammatical error on my part.I do apologise for all the upset that this seems to have generated for him sarah and her chickens
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3:22pm Sat 16 Jun 12

Emmabeth says...

As a disabled person with a carer, it's definitely NOT the lack of discounted rate (because as is pointed out, the carer getting in free effectively makes it half price) that is the problem.
The real problem is that not only do I have to apply in advance, but I have to do so in writing and lord only knows how long that will take.

That immediately takes away my ability to be spontaneous and decide on the spur of the moment that I'll do something - something able bodied persons can do of course.

If Three Counties were just to change the ruling so that disabled persons with a carer had to show some paperwork proving they have a full time carer, to get the discount, that would be fine (alternatively lets make it fair and equal across the board and anyone wanting a discount for children or pensioners can also only do so if they apply in advance... no? Didn't think so!)
As a disabled person with a carer, it's definitely NOT the lack of discounted rate (because as is pointed out, the carer getting in free effectively makes it half price) that is the problem. The real problem is that not only do I have to apply in advance, but I have to do so in writing and lord only knows how long that will take. That immediately takes away my ability to be spontaneous and decide on the spur of the moment that I'll do something - something able bodied persons can do of course. If Three Counties were just to change the ruling so that disabled persons with a carer had to show some paperwork proving they have a full time carer, to get the discount, that would be fine (alternatively lets make it fair and equal across the board and anyone wanting a discount for children or pensioners can also only do so if they apply in advance... no? Didn't think so!) Emmabeth
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9:24pm Sat 16 Jun 12

sjones says...

Hi Emmabeth, that's a fair point. It should either be pre-order for everyone or available on the door for everyone.

I still don't believe that the pre order aspect was "mean spirited" as suggested by Coun Roskams but I can certainly see that it was rather short sighted.
Hi Emmabeth, that's a fair point. It should either be pre-order for everyone or available on the door for everyone. I still don't believe that the pre order aspect was "mean spirited" as suggested by Coun Roskams but I can certainly see that it was rather short sighted. sjones
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1:58am Sun 17 Jun 12

Emmabeth says...

I am inclined to think that at best, the decision to charge/work things this way was short sighted.
At worst it demonstrates that the people in charge at Three Counties are of the view that most people likely to attend and claim disability are in fact doing so fraudulently.. which is unpleasant but hardly an uncommon view these days.

I haven't lived here long enough to know whether that's the case or whether offering discounted tickets for disabled visitors caused a real financial loss for Three Counties.

I can say, that had I been able to sort out the concession for my carer, I would have attended this year and because I couldn't do that, I haven't been, which is a shame as I was hoping to go but wasn't aware of the policy as it is so wildly different from other venues/events.
I am inclined to think that at best, the decision to charge/work things this way was short sighted. At worst it demonstrates that the people in charge at Three Counties are of the view that most people likely to attend and claim disability are in fact doing so fraudulently.. which is unpleasant but hardly an uncommon view these days. I haven't lived here long enough to know whether that's the case or whether offering discounted tickets for disabled visitors caused a real financial loss for Three Counties. I can say, that had I been able to sort out the concession for my carer, I would have attended this year and because I couldn't do that, I haven't been, which is a shame as I was hoping to go but wasn't aware of the policy as it is so wildly different from other venues/events. Emmabeth
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5:09pm Sun 17 Jun 12

sjones says...

Having lived and grown up in Malvern since the 80's I can genuinely say that I really do think it is short shortsightedness rather than anything more calculated.

I am sorry that you did not get to go this year but hope that, should you wish to attend next year, you have the opportunity to.
Having lived and grown up in Malvern since the 80's I can genuinely say that I really do think it is short shortsightedness rather than anything more calculated. I am sorry that you did not get to go this year but hope that, should you wish to attend next year, you have the opportunity to. sjones
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8:56pm Sun 17 Jun 12

sarah and her chickens says...

The worcester news also ran this story,it also has an interesting debate on the situation, seems to include a lot of what was discussed here as well.
The worcester news also ran this story,it also has an interesting debate on the situation, seems to include a lot of what was discussed here as well. sarah and her chickens
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9:59pm Sun 17 Jun 12

Lord Newbold says...

It seems that the three Counties director/organisers. Committee.
Have caused much upset to many possible visitors to their show.
Surely, the only person whom should be considered for any concessions are those on “Job Seekers Allowances”, Benefits are for the payment of rents, food, and travel, and not for luxury days out.
Pensioners have a regular income; disabled persons can receive various allowances, and have legislation to give them added protection. Our systems, in many areas have special fees for children. I feel that it is wrong that disabled have to apply for concessionary admittance; they should be able to decide whether they wish to attend any event on the day the they alight from their slumbers. Most concessions are at the proprietors’ discretion and can be altered at any time.
Unfortunately, we are now in a time of recession or so we are lead to believe, yet these organisations spend monies on creating a worthwhile event then alter their rules for no other reason than to recoup as much money as the can. It is obvious that by upping the price for admission, then claiming it is so able-bodied persons will not feel discriminated against, is one exaggeration to far.
It seems that the three Counties director/organisers. Committee. Have caused much upset to many possible visitors to their show. Surely, the only person whom should be considered for any concessions are those on “Job Seekers Allowances”, Benefits are for the payment of rents, food, and travel, and not for luxury days out. Pensioners have a regular income; disabled persons can receive various allowances, and have legislation to give them added protection. Our systems, in many areas have special fees for children. I feel that it is wrong that disabled have to apply for concessionary admittance; they should be able to decide whether they wish to attend any event on the day the they alight from their slumbers. Most concessions are at the proprietors’ discretion and can be altered at any time. Unfortunately, we are now in a time of recession or so we are lead to believe, yet these organisations spend monies on creating a worthwhile event then alter their rules for no other reason than to recoup as much money as the can. It is obvious that by upping the price for admission, then claiming it is so able-bodied persons will not feel discriminated against, is one exaggeration to far. Lord Newbold
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