Critics miss the point about threat to Hayslan fields

First published in Letters

FIRST it was Peter Atkins telling us the public shouldn’t be allowed on Hayslan Field (Letters, July 4).

He was unaware who owned it despite a large notice telling us at the entrance.

He has no concept of public footpaths, of which there are several on the fields.

Then our American cousin tells us how things are done better in the USA. I look forward to him telling us how to operate gun control and replacing the NHS with the American government healthcare system.

Finally, Angela Smith (Letters, July 11) admires Malvern St James’ dignified silence. Although they did say they needed the £10 to £15 million selling the fields for development to fund bursaries! How many disadvantaged Malvern children will benefit?

They all miss the point. Our town is characterised by Lady Foley and the Conservators' work in preventing quarry owners from destroying our lovely hills.

Today it is opportunistic developers who replace the quarry owners.

Hayslan fields is designated an urban open green space with public footpaths that allow people to enjoy them, and should remain so.

If Mr Atkins wants to have the public in his garden then he should apply for a footpath, but I bet it wouldn’t give half as much pleasure as those on Hayslan Fields.

Jeff Williams

Malvern

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11:32am Thu 24 Jul 14

Bufton Tufton says...

Re our "American cousin", this is almost a racist comment! You should be ashamed of your self Mr Williams.

The only right of access that the public have is access to the rights of way, NOT to the adjacent private land. There are many footpaths within Malvern and Malvern-Link adjacent to housing estates built in the 1950s and 1960"s, AT A TIME OF GREAT HOUSING NEED LIKE NOW, often running between houses and private gardens. These footpaths too were originally across fields before the housing estates were built. The existing paths across the Hayslain field could easily be incorporated into any new housing scheme to allow continuing access on foot to Cockshot Road and Great Malvern, the real raison d'etre of the paths.

Most of the complainants just want somewhere for their dogs to poo or are worried about the value of their property. I too would not be pleased if I lived near the field and realise that IT IS GOING TO BE BUILT ON, the protesters have not got a hope unfortunately for them.

There are several protests about potential housing developments running at present in Malvern, all organised by people who already have houses but don't want others to have enjoy the same privilege of home ownership that they themselves have enjoyed, and for many of the older home-owners, owner occupation subsidised by the non-home owning tax payer through mortgage interest tax relief.
Re our "American cousin", this is almost a racist comment! You should be ashamed of your self Mr Williams. The only right of access that the public have is access to the rights of way, NOT to the adjacent private land. There are many footpaths within Malvern and Malvern-Link adjacent to housing estates built in the 1950s and 1960"s, AT A TIME OF GREAT HOUSING NEED LIKE NOW, often running between houses and private gardens. These footpaths too were originally across fields before the housing estates were built. The existing paths across the Hayslain field could easily be incorporated into any new housing scheme to allow continuing access on foot to Cockshot Road and Great Malvern, the real raison d'etre of the paths. Most of the complainants just want somewhere for their dogs to poo or are worried about the value of their property. I too would not be pleased if I lived near the field and realise that IT IS GOING TO BE BUILT ON, the protesters have not got a hope unfortunately for them. There are several protests about potential housing developments running at present in Malvern, all organised by people who already have houses but don't want others to have enjoy the same privilege of home ownership that they themselves have enjoyed, and for many of the older home-owners, owner occupation subsidised by the non-home owning tax payer through mortgage interest tax relief. Bufton Tufton
  • Score: 3

12:40pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Stop Wasting Our Tax says...

Bufton Tufton, be quiet with your PC nonsense. There is nothing racist about it and Mr Williams has raised several valid issues. Just because you don't agree with them, there is no need to jump on the racism bandwagon. As for home owners not wanting others to enjoy the same priveliges they do, you could build a million 'affordable' housing estates, but I could still not afford one. The majority of people in Malvern do not want this development and it would be interesting to see if the appropriate wildlife studies have been carried out. I wonder if all those in favour of the scheme will still be so enthusiastic the next time they are stuck in a traffic jam and when their drains are overflowing.
Bufton Tufton, be quiet with your PC nonsense. There is nothing racist about it and Mr Williams has raised several valid issues. Just because you don't agree with them, there is no need to jump on the racism bandwagon. As for home owners not wanting others to enjoy the same priveliges they do, you could build a million 'affordable' housing estates, but I could still not afford one. The majority of people in Malvern do not want this development and it would be interesting to see if the appropriate wildlife studies have been carried out. I wonder if all those in favour of the scheme will still be so enthusiastic the next time they are stuck in a traffic jam and when their drains are overflowing. Stop Wasting Our Tax
  • Score: -6

4:16pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Bufton Tufton says...

Stop Wasting Our Tax wrote:
Bufton Tufton, be quiet with your PC nonsense. There is nothing racist about it and Mr Williams has raised several valid issues. Just because you don't agree with them, there is no need to jump on the racism bandwagon. As for home owners not wanting others to enjoy the same priveliges they do, you could build a million 'affordable' housing estates, but I could still not afford one. The majority of people in Malvern do not want this development and it would be interesting to see if the appropriate wildlife studies have been carried out. I wonder if all those in favour of the scheme will still be so enthusiastic the next time they are stuck in a traffic jam and when their drains are overflowing.
How do you know the majority of people do not want them? Please cite your evidence?
Supply and demand. Generally speaking the more homes that are built the cheaper they will become. During the 1930"s this country experienced the biggest house building boom of all time and house prices fell throughout the decade. This will not happen if every NIMBY in town complains about every proposed housing scheme. Its not as if this was an average town with just an average municipal park to boast as its only green space. I still think it a rather snide comment to say that because someone is one of our "American cousins" they do not know what they are talking about. I think you are feeling cornered because you know how ever much you protest, these homes will be built.
[quote][p][bold]Stop Wasting Our Tax[/bold] wrote: Bufton Tufton, be quiet with your PC nonsense. There is nothing racist about it and Mr Williams has raised several valid issues. Just because you don't agree with them, there is no need to jump on the racism bandwagon. As for home owners not wanting others to enjoy the same priveliges they do, you could build a million 'affordable' housing estates, but I could still not afford one. The majority of people in Malvern do not want this development and it would be interesting to see if the appropriate wildlife studies have been carried out. I wonder if all those in favour of the scheme will still be so enthusiastic the next time they are stuck in a traffic jam and when their drains are overflowing.[/p][/quote]How do you know the majority of people do not want them? Please cite your evidence? Supply and demand. Generally speaking the more homes that are built the cheaper they will become. During the 1930"s this country experienced the biggest house building boom of all time and house prices fell throughout the decade. This will not happen if every NIMBY in town complains about every proposed housing scheme. Its not as if this was an average town with just an average municipal park to boast as its only green space. I still think it a rather snide comment to say that because someone is one of our "American cousins" they do not know what they are talking about. I think you are feeling cornered because you know how ever much you protest, these homes will be built. Bufton Tufton
  • Score: 9

10:20am Fri 25 Jul 14

Andy-Apache says...

Good grief, how naive can you get?

How many houses have been built in the Malvern area in the last 5 years? I don't know but would suggest a couple of thousand (700 alone at Malvern Vale, with more to come)

What is the average house price in Malvern now compared to 5 years ago?

I think you'll find it is higher. I think you'll find it rises on average (over a reasonable time span), unless there is a *large surplus* of empty houses. Do we really want to bulldoze our green spaces so we can have fields full of uninhabited breeze block boxes simply to prop up the building industry and line the pockets of developers?

I won't be impacted personally by the Hayslan Fields debacle, but I still find myself totally against the development purely on principle, and that some of us have swallowed a huge lie.
Good grief, how naive can you get? How many houses have been built in the Malvern area in the last 5 years? I don't know but would suggest a couple of thousand (700 alone at Malvern Vale, with more to come) What is the average house price in Malvern now compared to 5 years ago? I think you'll find it is higher. I think you'll find it rises on average (over a reasonable time span), unless there is a *large surplus* of empty houses. Do we really want to bulldoze our green spaces so we can have fields full of uninhabited breeze block boxes simply to prop up the building industry and line the pockets of developers? I won't be impacted personally by the Hayslan Fields debacle, but I still find myself totally against the development purely on principle, and that some of us have swallowed a huge lie. Andy-Apache
  • Score: -5

9:05pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Bufton Tufton says...

Andy-Apache wrote:
Good grief, how naive can you get?

How many houses have been built in the Malvern area in the last 5 years? I don't know but would suggest a couple of thousand (700 alone at Malvern Vale, with more to come)

What is the average house price in Malvern now compared to 5 years ago?

I think you'll find it is higher. I think you'll find it rises on average (over a reasonable time span), unless there is a *large surplus* of empty houses. Do we really want to bulldoze our green spaces so we can have fields full of uninhabited breeze block boxes simply to prop up the building industry and line the pockets of developers?

I won't be impacted personally by the Hayslan Fields debacle, but I still find myself totally against the development purely on principle, and that some of us have swallowed a huge lie.
I wrote "Generally speaking the more homes that are built the cheaper they will become." I did not say that homes would fall in price, but the effect is that with an increase in supply the price would be less than it would be without more homes being built. According to Rightmove the sold price of a home in WR14 in July 2009 was £230,320.00 and in March 2014, £239,114. In a small town like Malvern the figures vary considerably depending on the nature and amount of property sold each month, but the graph shows an almost flat or only very slightly rising trend and in percentage terms a rise of considerably less then the rate of general inflation over the last few years or so. So yes, homes are cheaper in Malvern in real terms than they were five years ago.

How many homes have been built in Malvern over the last five years? I don't know either. I know that 750 were planed for Malvern Vale but do not know if these have all been completed yet. Developers don't like to release too many homes on to the market in too short a period of time because, guess what? It drives the prices down!
[quote][p][bold]Andy-Apache[/bold] wrote: Good grief, how naive can you get? How many houses have been built in the Malvern area in the last 5 years? I don't know but would suggest a couple of thousand (700 alone at Malvern Vale, with more to come) What is the average house price in Malvern now compared to 5 years ago? I think you'll find it is higher. I think you'll find it rises on average (over a reasonable time span), unless there is a *large surplus* of empty houses. Do we really want to bulldoze our green spaces so we can have fields full of uninhabited breeze block boxes simply to prop up the building industry and line the pockets of developers? I won't be impacted personally by the Hayslan Fields debacle, but I still find myself totally against the development purely on principle, and that some of us have swallowed a huge lie.[/p][/quote]I wrote "Generally speaking the more homes that are built the cheaper they will become." I did not say that homes would fall in price, but the effect is that with an increase in supply the price would be less than it would be without more homes being built. According to Rightmove the sold price of a home in WR14 in July 2009 was £230,320.00 and in March 2014, £239,114. In a small town like Malvern the figures vary considerably depending on the nature and amount of property sold each month, but the graph shows an almost flat or only very slightly rising trend and in percentage terms a rise of considerably less then the rate of general inflation over the last few years or so. So yes, homes are cheaper in Malvern in real terms than they were five years ago. How many homes have been built in Malvern over the last five years? I don't know either. I know that 750 were planed for Malvern Vale but do not know if these have all been completed yet. Developers don't like to release too many homes on to the market in too short a period of time because, guess what? It drives the prices down! Bufton Tufton
  • Score: 10

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