Angel Place traders in dark over market revamp hit back at critics

Angel Place traders in dark over market revamp hit back at critics

Carl Cusack serves a customer at his fruit and veg stall

Carl Cusack serves a customer at his fruit and veg stall

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Trader Pat Perry of Worcester Luggage says the market would be better left as it is and given a black and gold paint job.

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MARKET traders in Worcester say they are in the dark over what will happen to them when a £550,000 revamp to restore the shopping parade gets underway next month.

Some of the 16 traders at Angel Place have also hit out at some of the negative comments made by readers on the Worcester News website about the look of the market and the quality of their goods. Some readers made comments saying the market was 'horrible' with 'sub standard' stalls while one described it as 'a scruffy dump' - prompting a robust defence from traders.

The regeneration work by Worcester City Council which also involves CrownGate owners the Crown Estate and Worcestershire County Council starts on Monday, September 1. It will take 10 weeks to complete, with the market reopening in time for the Christmas trading period but some of the traders are scratching their heads over where they will be based in the interim.

Existing market units will be ripped out and replaced by modern, moveable stands and the area will be repaved in stages to keep Angel Place open while a new market manager will also be appointed ready to start in December.

Carl Cusack, aged 39, a stall-holder at Carl's Fruit and Veg, said: "The council hasn't said anything and we're supposed to be moving in three weeks. We haven't been told where we're moving to or how many days we will be allowed to work. They said they would be keeping us informed. We just want to know what's happening. People are worried."

He criticised those who had made malicious comments on the Worcester News website about the quality of his stock, saying he gets his goods fresh from the wholesaler in Birmingham at 3am each day.

The father-of-two said: "If it was rubbish we would not serve any customers, we would have no regulars and we would have no money but we get small-minded idiots running us down. There are people here every day, trying to earn a living. It's our livelihood. We've all got mortgages and kids to feed."

A stall-holder from the phone stall, who wished to be known only as Helen, said the stall provided a point of contact for older people because the people on the stalls would have more time for them than in other shops.

Pat Perry, aged 59, of Worcester Luggage said he had spoken to a helpful man at Worcester City Council about the revamp but that he still did not have all the answers he needed. He said: "We have got to know where we're going and the size of the stalls. It's just the uncertainty - we need to know."

He said his stall takes three hours to set up and he works around 12 hours a day. He said: "This is my livelihood." In response to criticism from readers he said: "These are really good people and serious traders."

He suggested the council repaint the existing market units black and gold rather than rip them out. He said: "I would rather it stopped as it was." Stall-holder Paul Gardner known as "The Petman", aged 48, said: "This has character. If we have a permanent structure for in the city for a market we're a market town, not a clone town. My business keeps a roof over my head and over my elderly parents' heads. If this went we would be up the creek without a paddle."

A spokesman for Worcester City Council said a temporary home for the stalls in the interim could be agreed by this Wednesday while the refurbishment takes place. He said although Angel Place would remain the home of the market the moveable stalls would allow them to move to other locations such as the High Street.

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6:49pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Hwicce says...

I would get rid of the market completely from Angel Place. It's just not big enough. Change it to a piazza type square and allow/encourage the premises around it to become cafes with outside seating. Also properly block off access through it so that it is really a pedestrian area.

The market should be moved to the Cornmarket car park. It's much bigger and would allow for a proper large market with the full range of fresh produce and general merchandise like Tewkesbury has.
I would get rid of the market completely from Angel Place. It's just not big enough. Change it to a piazza type square and allow/encourage the premises around it to become cafes with outside seating. Also properly block off access through it so that it is really a pedestrian area. The market should be moved to the Cornmarket car park. It's much bigger and would allow for a proper large market with the full range of fresh produce and general merchandise like Tewkesbury has. Hwicce
  • Score: 4

9:16pm Sun 10 Aug 14

CJH says...

Hwicce wrote:
I would get rid of the market completely from Angel Place. It's just not big enough. Change it to a piazza type square and allow/encourage the premises around it to become cafes with outside seating. Also properly block off access through it so that it is really a pedestrian area.

The market should be moved to the Cornmarket car park. It's much bigger and would allow for a proper large market with the full range of fresh produce and general merchandise like Tewkesbury has.
"...encourage the premises around it to become cafes..." How many cafes are you suggesting for heavens sake? How do you think they would generate enough trade to make all those 'cafes' profitable, expecially if the market is moved? Furthermore: a piazza? We are not Italian. And we are also not Tewkesbury. Why do people keep wanting to turn us into Paris or Cheltenham or other strange and exotic places. We are Worcester. Let's make the others want to be like Worcester, not the other way round. We need some original thinking. I'm not holding my breath...
[quote][p][bold]Hwicce[/bold] wrote: I would get rid of the market completely from Angel Place. It's just not big enough. Change it to a piazza type square and allow/encourage the premises around it to become cafes with outside seating. Also properly block off access through it so that it is really a pedestrian area. The market should be moved to the Cornmarket car park. It's much bigger and would allow for a proper large market with the full range of fresh produce and general merchandise like Tewkesbury has.[/p][/quote]"...encourage the premises around it to become cafes..." How many cafes are you suggesting for heavens sake? How do you think they would generate enough trade to make all those 'cafes' profitable, expecially if the market is moved? Furthermore: a piazza? We are not Italian. And we are also not Tewkesbury. Why do people keep wanting to turn us into Paris or Cheltenham or other strange and exotic places. We are Worcester. Let's make the others want to be like Worcester, not the other way round. We need some original thinking. I'm not holding my breath... CJH
  • Score: 5

9:55pm Sun 10 Aug 14

markskoda says...

I hope the filthy bus station will get a spruce up too. It must be the worst in the country.
I hope the filthy bus station will get a spruce up too. It must be the worst in the country. markskoda
  • Score: 5

9:58pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Small Town says...

markskoda wrote:
I hope the filthy bus station will get a spruce up too. It must be the worst in the country.
No, that's East Riding.
[quote][p][bold]markskoda[/bold] wrote: I hope the filthy bus station will get a spruce up too. It must be the worst in the country.[/p][/quote]No, that's East Riding. Small Town
  • Score: -2

10:36pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Hwicce says...

CJH wrote:
Hwicce wrote:
I would get rid of the market completely from Angel Place. It's just not big enough. Change it to a piazza type square and allow/encourage the premises around it to become cafes with outside seating. Also properly block off access through it so that it is really a pedestrian area.

The market should be moved to the Cornmarket car park. It's much bigger and would allow for a proper large market with the full range of fresh produce and general merchandise like Tewkesbury has.
"...encourage the premises around it to become cafes..." How many cafes are you suggesting for heavens sake? How do you think they would generate enough trade to make all those 'cafes' profitable, expecially if the market is moved? Furthermore: a piazza? We are not Italian. And we are also not Tewkesbury. Why do people keep wanting to turn us into Paris or Cheltenham or other strange and exotic places. We are Worcester. Let's make the others want to be like Worcester, not the other way round. We need some original thinking. I'm not holding my breath...
Ok then, what your great plan to make Worcester so unique that everyone wants to copy it?

Knocking other peoples ideas is easy, having some ideas is not.....
[quote][p][bold]CJH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hwicce[/bold] wrote: I would get rid of the market completely from Angel Place. It's just not big enough. Change it to a piazza type square and allow/encourage the premises around it to become cafes with outside seating. Also properly block off access through it so that it is really a pedestrian area. The market should be moved to the Cornmarket car park. It's much bigger and would allow for a proper large market with the full range of fresh produce and general merchandise like Tewkesbury has.[/p][/quote]"...encourage the premises around it to become cafes..." How many cafes are you suggesting for heavens sake? How do you think they would generate enough trade to make all those 'cafes' profitable, expecially if the market is moved? Furthermore: a piazza? We are not Italian. And we are also not Tewkesbury. Why do people keep wanting to turn us into Paris or Cheltenham or other strange and exotic places. We are Worcester. Let's make the others want to be like Worcester, not the other way round. We need some original thinking. I'm not holding my breath...[/p][/quote]Ok then, what your great plan to make Worcester so unique that everyone wants to copy it? Knocking other peoples ideas is easy, having some ideas is not..... Hwicce
  • Score: 4

10:11am Mon 11 Aug 14

Jabbadad says...

Some 60+ years ago when i worked for our family business we also stacked our fruit and veg in a very careful and colourful way as a display.
It was also the practice to serve from the rear of the display with exactly the same fruits / tomatoes ect, and woe betide any customer who helped themselves from the front display, my Dad would soon let them know the errors of their ways.
As to the Market traders they are a happy bunch, who unlike most supermarket satff, will pass the time of day with you, and give general banter. It's their way of life that I enjoy, and much prefered to the supermarkets / clinically stuffy staff in some shops around.
I am able to travel less these days but always enjoyed the Market traders in Birmingham, many could have earned a living on the stage. And yes they tried the slight of hand, but always corrected your complaint with a smile as if to say caught me this time ha ha.
Angel Street is ideal, it has clean Toilet facilitis, local Cafe's and Pubs, a nearbye Bus Station, Carparking, and a range of complimentry shops. Lets keep our market at all costs, it is part of a city community such as Worcester.
Some 60+ years ago when i worked for our family business we also stacked our fruit and veg in a very careful and colourful way as a display. It was also the practice to serve from the rear of the display with exactly the same fruits / tomatoes ect, and woe betide any customer who helped themselves from the front display, my Dad would soon let them know the errors of their ways. As to the Market traders they are a happy bunch, who unlike most supermarket satff, will pass the time of day with you, and give general banter. It's their way of life that I enjoy, and much prefered to the supermarkets / clinically stuffy staff in some shops around. I am able to travel less these days but always enjoyed the Market traders in Birmingham, many could have earned a living on the stage. And yes they tried the slight of hand, but always corrected your complaint with a smile as if to say caught me this time ha ha. Angel Street is ideal, it has clean Toilet facilitis, local Cafe's and Pubs, a nearbye Bus Station, Carparking, and a range of complimentry shops. Lets keep our market at all costs, it is part of a city community such as Worcester. Jabbadad
  • Score: 1

11:03am Mon 11 Aug 14

liketoknow says...

I agree the bus station is showing signs of neglect , but a market is a market . It's outdoors . It just needs a bit of TLC.
I agree the bus station is showing signs of neglect , but a market is a market . It's outdoors . It just needs a bit of TLC. liketoknow
  • Score: 2

11:46am Mon 11 Aug 14

Happypunter says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Some 60+ years ago when i worked for our family business we also stacked our fruit and veg in a very careful and colourful way as a display.
It was also the practice to serve from the rear of the display with exactly the same fruits / tomatoes ect, and woe betide any customer who helped themselves from the front display, my Dad would soon let them know the errors of their ways.
As to the Market traders they are a happy bunch, who unlike most supermarket satff, will pass the time of day with you, and give general banter. It's their way of life that I enjoy, and much prefered to the supermarkets / clinically stuffy staff in some shops around.
I am able to travel less these days but always enjoyed the Market traders in Birmingham, many could have earned a living on the stage. And yes they tried the slight of hand, but always corrected your complaint with a smile as if to say caught me this time ha ha.
Angel Street is ideal, it has clean Toilet facilitis, local Cafe's and Pubs, a nearbye Bus Station, Carparking, and a range of complimentry shops. Lets keep our market at all costs, it is part of a city community such as Worcester.
Thank you !!!
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Some 60+ years ago when i worked for our family business we also stacked our fruit and veg in a very careful and colourful way as a display. It was also the practice to serve from the rear of the display with exactly the same fruits / tomatoes ect, and woe betide any customer who helped themselves from the front display, my Dad would soon let them know the errors of their ways. As to the Market traders they are a happy bunch, who unlike most supermarket satff, will pass the time of day with you, and give general banter. It's their way of life that I enjoy, and much prefered to the supermarkets / clinically stuffy staff in some shops around. I am able to travel less these days but always enjoyed the Market traders in Birmingham, many could have earned a living on the stage. And yes they tried the slight of hand, but always corrected your complaint with a smile as if to say caught me this time ha ha. Angel Street is ideal, it has clean Toilet facilitis, local Cafe's and Pubs, a nearbye Bus Station, Carparking, and a range of complimentry shops. Lets keep our market at all costs, it is part of a city community such as Worcester.[/p][/quote]Thank you !!! Happypunter
  • Score: 2

6:16pm Mon 11 Aug 14

liketoknow says...

It's funny how things come back to haunt us . When I was a young lad the market was actually inside . not 50 yards from where it is now. And they call this progress!
It's funny how things come back to haunt us . When I was a young lad the market was actually inside . not 50 yards from where it is now. And they call this progress! liketoknow
  • Score: -1

7:30pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Jabbadad says...

liketoknow the Market was only on Saturdays in what was known as the Sheep Market (now the Chinese eat all you can). From Monday to Friday it was a private Carpark and just the Hoohah Henry's parked there. And friday evening the Council workmen put the stalls up ready for the Saturday traders. Small world eh?
It was sugested that prior to there being a building at all there it was a cemetry, but I have never seen Mike Grundy refering to it at all in "All our Yesterdays".
liketoknow the Market was only on Saturdays in what was known as the Sheep Market (now the Chinese eat all you can). From Monday to Friday it was a private Carpark and just the Hoohah Henry's parked there. And friday evening the Council workmen put the stalls up ready for the Saturday traders. Small world eh? It was sugested that prior to there being a building at all there it was a cemetry, but I have never seen Mike Grundy refering to it at all in "All our Yesterdays". Jabbadad
  • Score: 0

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