Badgers sett out to harry Harriett

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MP Harriet Baldwin was badgered by badgers when she held her constituency surgery in Malvern town centre on Friday (July 25).

Demonstrators from the Malvern branch of Worcestershire Vegans and Veggies, angry at Mrs Baldwin's support for the badger cull, waved placards and shouted "Stop the cull" and "Save the badgers" as she arrived and departed.

Ronald Lee of the group said: "There was a great deal of support from passers-by and many stopped to fill in postcards asking the government to end the cull.

"There is a large amount of scientific evidence that the killing of badgers, which is scheduled to continue in Gloucestershire and Somerset within the next few months, will do little or nothing to prevent TB in cattle and that it could even make the situation worse."

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11:08am Tue 29 Jul 14

rogerout says...

Some 1900 badgers were killed during the DEFRA/NFU cull. None were post mortem tested for BOVINE TB and a government appointed Independent expert panel analysing this badger shoot found that although some 8 million pounds of taxpayers money was spent . The Cull was "ineffective and inhumane"The Welsh Government introduced a science based humane programme including Badger Vaccination at a cost of some £! million pounds per year is now in its third year. The number of Cattle slaughtered for BOVINE TB in Wales has fallen by around 40%. Science has clearly and recently indicated ( Warwick University Report July 2014) that Badgers have a minimal contribution to the spread of BTB infection. Their findings indicate a need for an effective BTB Cattle test and Cattle Vaccination. It is sad that the politics of Government and the NFU continue to spend millions of taxpayers money as they bypass the available science. Perhaps there is another agenda or a political Lobby?
Some 1900 badgers were killed during the DEFRA/NFU cull. None were post mortem tested for BOVINE TB and a government appointed Independent expert panel analysing this badger shoot found that although some 8 million pounds of taxpayers money was spent . The Cull was "ineffective and inhumane"The Welsh Government introduced a science based humane programme including Badger Vaccination at a cost of some £! million pounds per year is now in its third year. The number of Cattle slaughtered for BOVINE TB in Wales has fallen by around 40%. Science has clearly and recently indicated ( Warwick University Report July 2014) that Badgers have a minimal contribution to the spread of BTB infection. Their findings indicate a need for an effective BTB Cattle test and Cattle Vaccination. It is sad that the politics of Government and the NFU continue to spend millions of taxpayers money as they bypass the available science. Perhaps there is another agenda or a political Lobby? rogerout
  • Score: 8

11:13am Tue 29 Jul 14

localman69 says...

Not as simple as that. As vaccination of cattle in the field is currently prohibited under EU legislation, the cattle vaccine and associated diagnostic test have been developed in experimentally infected cattle. These studies cannot provide a definite figure for vaccine efficacy when administered to cattle under field conditions in the UK. Small-scale field studies have been carried out recently in Ethiopia(6) and Mexico(7) and depending on the parameters selected the protective effect of vaccination was between 56% and 68%. It is not clear what effect BCG vaccination of cattle would have in reducing the incidence of TB herd breakdowns.

BCG vaccination of cattle, as with BCG vaccination in other species, is not 100% effective in preventing TB.
Not as simple as that. As vaccination of cattle in the field is currently prohibited under EU legislation, the cattle vaccine and associated diagnostic test have been developed in experimentally infected cattle. These studies cannot provide a definite figure for vaccine efficacy when administered to cattle under field conditions in the UK. Small-scale field studies have been carried out recently in Ethiopia(6) and Mexico(7) and depending on the parameters selected the protective effect of vaccination was between 56% and 68%. It is not clear what effect BCG vaccination of cattle would have in reducing the incidence of TB herd breakdowns. BCG vaccination of cattle, as with BCG vaccination in other species, is not 100% effective in preventing TB. localman69
  • Score: -2

12:44pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Will_1 says...

Rogerout is certainly putting the 'facts' completely skewed from reality -- a recent test of roadkill badgers in a non-hot spot for TB showed an infection rate near 20% --- fact!, the Warwick uni study has been discredited many times, etc.

Common sense says that you have to remove infected animals otherwise you'll never beat the disease.

Rather than hindering progress I think we need to work together to remove TB infection from both wildlife and cattle.

Lets have the cull trials and then see what the results are -- already last year's trial has seen a significant reduction in TB in that area and the hedgehog population is recovering so lets carry on with the cull please!
Rogerout is certainly putting the 'facts' completely skewed from reality -- a recent test of roadkill badgers in a non-hot spot for TB showed an infection rate near 20% --- fact!, the Warwick uni study has been discredited many times, etc. Common sense says that you have to remove infected animals otherwise you'll never beat the disease. Rather than hindering progress I think we need to work together to remove TB infection from both wildlife and cattle. Lets have the cull trials and then see what the results are -- already last year's trial has seen a significant reduction in TB in that area and the hedgehog population is recovering so lets carry on with the cull please! Will_1
  • Score: -5

2:17pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Hugh Wattmate says...

Just let the badgers die, Meats expensive as it is the more badgers the more TB, and the more TB the more cattle die without going for sale pushing the price of meat up for everyone.

Kill a few badgers and save allot of cattle and drop the meat price.

Vaccines are unworkable due to EU law anyway so chuck that out the window folks.

The price of the cull would drop if so many people stopped protesting and getting in the way. Allot of police time is wasted on trespassing and stuff.

Most people who go "lamping" will shoot the badgers for free, so would most cattle farmers. Hell i bet almost every farmer you meet will shoot them for free and get his or her farms hands to also. The price of the cull is low if people just got out the way.
Just let the badgers die, Meats expensive as it is the more badgers the more TB, and the more TB the more cattle die without going for sale pushing the price of meat up for everyone. Kill a few badgers and save allot of cattle and drop the meat price. Vaccines are unworkable due to EU law anyway so chuck that out the window folks. The price of the cull would drop if so many people stopped protesting and getting in the way. Allot of police time is wasted on trespassing and stuff. Most people who go "lamping" will shoot the badgers for free, so would most cattle farmers. Hell i bet almost every farmer you meet will shoot them for free and get his or her farms hands to also. The price of the cull is low if people just got out the way. Hugh Wattmate
  • Score: -7

2:46pm Tue 29 Jul 14

rogerout says...

INCREASED cattle testing, rather than badger vaccination, was the prime driver for the dramatic decline in bovine TB levels experienced in Wales last year, according to the country's chief vet.

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INCREASED cattle testing, rather than badger vaccination, was the prime driver for the dramatic decline in bovine TB levels experienced in Wales last year, according to the country's chief vet. http://www.farmersgu ardian.com/home/hot- topics/bovine-tb/tes ting-not-vaccination -driving-welsh-tb-de cline-cvo/62983.arti cle rogerout
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3:29pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Will_1 says...

rogerout - maybe so but imagine what could be achieved by removing the wildlife infection reservoir. There is no point in putting cattle next to badgers which are infected with TB -- the cattle will get infected. Get rid of the infected badgers and its bound to help -- common sense! We need to remove all sources of disease and like it or not badgers carry TB, I'm afraid!
rogerout - maybe so but imagine what could be achieved by removing the wildlife infection reservoir. There is no point in putting cattle next to badgers which are infected with TB -- the cattle will get infected. Get rid of the infected badgers and its bound to help -- common sense! We need to remove all sources of disease and like it or not badgers carry TB, I'm afraid! Will_1
  • Score: -9

3:46pm Tue 29 Jul 14

rogerout says...

How many Badgers of the 1900 killed last year had Bovine TB . The politics was frightened to find out and carried out no post mortem at all. If you want data to help any science , cattle vaccination whatever then provide it .Do not just incinerate 1900 carcases without testing. But Badger vaccination is available and is being carried out in Wales. Cattle Vaccination field trials on a large scale will in my view commence this year .

How many Badgers of the 1900 killed last year had Bovine TB . The politics was frightened to find out and carried out no post mortem at all. If you want data to help any science , cattle vaccination whatever then provide it .Do not just incinerate 1900 carcases without testing. But Badger vaccination is available and is being carried out in Wales. Cattle Vaccination field trials on a large scale will in my view commence this year .
WARWICK UNIVERSITY REPORT JULY 2014
Based on a study of cattle and the causes of bTB in Great Britain the model sought to ascertain how and why the epidemic has grown over the past 15 years. Using Animal Health and Veterinary Laboratories Agency and Defra data, the researchers developed a mathematical model that incorporated both within-farm and between-farm bTB transmission.

The model proposes that whilst badgers form part of the environmental reservoir they only play a relatively minor role in the transmission of infection.
How many Badgers of the 1900 killed last year had Bovine TB . The politics was frightened to find out and carried out no post mortem at all. If you want data to help any science , cattle vaccination whatever then provide it .Do not just incinerate 1900 carcases without testing. But Badger vaccination is available and is being carried out in Wales. Cattle Vaccination field trials on a large scale will in my view commence this year . How many Badgers of the 1900 killed last year had Bovine TB . The politics was frightened to find out and carried out no post mortem at all. If you want data to help any science , cattle vaccination whatever then provide it .Do not just incinerate 1900 carcases without testing. But Badger vaccination is available and is being carried out in Wales. Cattle Vaccination field trials on a large scale will in my view commence this year . WARWICK UNIVERSITY REPORT JULY 2014 Based on a study of cattle and the causes of bTB in Great Britain the model sought to ascertain how and why the epidemic has grown over the past 15 years. Using Animal Health and Veterinary Laboratories Agency and Defra data, the researchers developed a mathematical model that incorporated both within-farm and between-farm bTB transmission. The model proposes that whilst badgers form part of the environmental reservoir they only play a relatively minor role in the transmission of infection. rogerout
  • Score: 6

3:56pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Will_1 says...

As I said, that Warwick uni study was a theoretical model and was as widely rubbished as it was quoted....
There are good real world examples where removal of badgers coincides with reduction of TB -- look at the Somerset levels -- farmers are having their first clear tests for years and this is due to the infected badgers being drowned in the floods, the 2002 test also shows a reduction (and a massive recovery in the hedgehog population), southern Ireland where they remove infected setts and see further reductions, etc, etc
We can no longer afford to deny the facts. We need to work together to beat TB and badgers are unfortunately a large part of the issue.
As I said, that Warwick uni study was a theoretical model and was as widely rubbished as it was quoted.... There are good real world examples where removal of badgers coincides with reduction of TB -- look at the Somerset levels -- farmers are having their first clear tests for years and this is due to the infected badgers being drowned in the floods, the 2002 test also shows a reduction (and a massive recovery in the hedgehog population), southern Ireland where they remove infected setts and see further reductions, etc, etc We can no longer afford to deny the facts. We need to work together to beat TB and badgers are unfortunately a large part of the issue. Will_1
  • Score: -6

9:48pm Tue 29 Jul 14

rogerout says...

Will_1 unfortunately the majority of the electorate do not want to see the Politics of Badger killing overtake the need for a science based humane programme towards the long term eradication of Bovine TB. At the same time the cosy image of Farming has given way to Profit almost to the level of City Bankers/Traders. The NFU and Owen Paterson courted money and power . The lobby factor, and yet actually represented very Few. So working together is a nice ideal but it has been made almost impossible . By Politics, Greed, profit and a growing style of Industrialised Farming. too many Meat scares. and religious politics, halal slaughter and even a lobby against food product labelling. EG all New zealand lamb is Halal slaughtered but not labelled as such. This week i became aware of some 4000 live sheep crammed 600 to a EU registered lorry being exported from Ramsgate Port to an unknown destination for slaughter. At the same time a lorry plus trailer of some 250 plus 2-3 week old Calves being exported via Ramsgate and the uk having come from the Republic of Ireland to destination Spain as veal calves. And all taking some 5 hours to cross the channel in a Latvian tank landing Barge. animal trade and suffering for PROFIT of a few. so more indiscriminate killing of Badgers as Science is Bypassed is not a solution.
https://www.youtube.
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rKs&feature=share
Will_1 unfortunately the majority of the electorate do not want to see the Politics of Badger killing overtake the need for a science based humane programme towards the long term eradication of Bovine TB. At the same time the cosy image of Farming has given way to Profit almost to the level of City Bankers/Traders. The NFU and Owen Paterson courted money and power . The lobby factor, and yet actually represented very Few. So working together is a nice ideal but it has been made almost impossible . By Politics, Greed, profit and a growing style of Industrialised Farming. too many Meat scares. and religious politics, halal slaughter and even a lobby against food product labelling. EG all New zealand lamb is Halal slaughtered but not labelled as such. This week i became aware of some 4000 live sheep crammed 600 to a EU registered lorry being exported from Ramsgate Port to an unknown destination for slaughter. At the same time a lorry plus trailer of some 250 plus 2-3 week old Calves being exported via Ramsgate and the uk having come from the Republic of Ireland to destination Spain as veal calves. And all taking some 5 hours to cross the channel in a Latvian tank landing Barge. animal trade and suffering for PROFIT of a few. so more indiscriminate killing of Badgers as Science is Bypassed is not a solution. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=WYQ5lkAi rKs&feature=share rogerout
  • Score: 3

7:21am Wed 30 Jul 14

Will_1 says...

Sorry Rogerout, it does indeed sound like you're in the middle of some scarily incorrect views - farmers likened to City Traders etc :). ha ha at least you made me laugh.
Your main worry before was the fact that the dead badgers were not tested, however this time I believe tests will be done so I can presume with your main concern alleviated you'll be on side now for the badger cull so lets crack on and see the success.
Sorry Rogerout, it does indeed sound like you're in the middle of some scarily incorrect views - farmers likened to City Traders etc :). ha ha at least you made me laugh. Your main worry before was the fact that the dead badgers were not tested, however this time I believe tests will be done so I can presume with your main concern alleviated you'll be on side now for the badger cull so lets crack on and see the success. Will_1
  • Score: -6

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