UKIP wins three West Midlands seats in Euro poll as Farage hails 'extraordinary' win

Malvern Gazette: The count for the West Midlands region last night The count for the West Midlands region last night

UKIP are celebrating after winning three seats to represent Worcestershire in the European elections – and topped the regional poll in a set of results described as “extraordinary” by Nigel Farage.

Labour won two, doubling its representation in the West Midlands, while the Conservatives won two, one down on the 2009 election. The Liberal Democrats lost their only MEP, Phil Bennion.

The list of winners is: Jill Seymour (UKIP) Neena Gill (Labour) Philip Bradbourn (Conservative) Jim Carver (UKIP) Sion Simon (Labour) Anthea McIntyre (Conservative) Bill Etheridge (UKIP).

Eleven different parties were vying for the seats, with 71 candidates hoping to make a breakthrough.

In the end, on a 43 per cent turnout UKIP topped the poll with 428,010 votes, Labour was second on 363,033, the Conservatives were third with 330,470 and the Lib Dems managed just 75,648.

In Worcester UKIP topped the poll with 7,715, the Conservatives came second with 7,185 and Labour came third with 6,651.

The Green Party then came fourth in the city with 2,224, with the Lib Dems in fifth on 1,327.

One of the big stories of the night was independent MEP Nikki Sinclaire, who conceded defeat just before 10pm, before the results were announced in Birmingham.

The 46-year-old was originally an MEP for UKIP in 2009 but left the party in a row over its grouping with 'extreme right wing' parties in the Brussels Parliament and last night stood for 'We Demand a Referendum Now'.

Her party got 616 Worcester votes and more than 23,000 across the region, but it was not enough.

In a statement she said: "My supporters will be disappointed, and naturally I am too.

"It has been an honour and a pleasure to represent 5.2 million constituents over the past five years. I have met thousands of people in my role, getting involved in community projects and giving a voice to the voiceless, and lending an ear when others wouldn't listen.

"I'm also proud of the campaign we ran here in the West Midlands, far larger than anybody had ever seen before, and many thanks to those who spent time talking to me and the team on the campaign trail.

"More importantly, thank you to everybody who took the time to vote for me on Thursday and for those who have stood by me."

The Tories were defending three seats and retained two.

Philip Bradbourn and Anthea McIntyre were re-elected while Dan Dalton failed to replace retiring MEP Malcolm Harbour.

Labour improved upon the one member Ed Miliband's party had in the West Midlands.

Michael Cashman is retiring and former MEP Neena Gill won her bid to return to Brussels five years after losing her seat.

Sion Simon, a former MP, also successfully stood for Labour. The Liberal Democrats lost their only West Midlands seat, held by Phil Bennion.

UKIP won two in 2009 but its MEPs Mike Nattrass and Miss Sinclaire had both since quit the party and formed their own Eurosceptic groups.

The Liberal Democrats were the night's biggest losers as Nick Clegg paid the price for his gamble to position the party as the natural opponents to Ukip's Euroscepticism.

In a humiliating set of results, the party lost all but one of the 11 MEPs it went into the contest with across the country, and was relegated to fifth place behind the Greens.

In Wales the Lib Dems lost their deposit and finished in sixth position.

Labour secured second place in the national contest with a strong performance in London, but the inability to deliver a win in a national poll or break through in key battlegrounds just 12 months before Ed Miliband hopes to enter 10 Downing Street will worry some in the party.

Nigel Farage claimed to have pulled off the "most extraordinary result in British politics for 100 years" this morning.

After 10 of Great Britain's 11 regional constituencies had declared their results, UKIP had 23 MEPs and a 27 per cent share of the vote - up on 11.6 per cent in 2009.

Labour and the Tories both ended up with 18 MEPs each after the English votes had declared, with Labour the second most popular party nationally on  25 per cent, and the Conservatives in third place on 23 per cent.

After Scotland had declared UKIP was left with 24 MEPs, Labour 20 and the Tories 19.

The Greens, which have three MEPs, came fourth on seven per cent and then came the Lib Dems in fifth place nationally, with a six per cent share of the vote and just one MEP left, despite starting yesterday with 12.

* More on this story will follow in tomorrow's Worcester News.

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9:19am Mon 26 May 14

voledog says...

If I ever get to see UKIP campaigning with Alex Salmond for Scotland to leave the UK then I might start to believe their arguments are based upon a genuine belief that we're all better off going it alone, rather than them being just a bunch of small minded people who don't particularly care for foreigners and who fail to see the bigger picture.

The EU needs improving, but it's an amazing force for good. European neighbours have squabbled and waged war for centuries, dictators ran many of those countries until as recently as 20 years ago - let's not forget that even Spain was under fascist dictatorship until the 1970s. If anyone likes to think Europe can never go back to all that, just look at how Putin is behaving over the Ukraine. Dangerous nationalism always leads to trouble.

Working together for everyone's benefit ensures peace, stability and prosperity. Nationalism is the thing that took Europe into its darkest periods in the 20th century. The nationalism of Alex Salmond has a good chance of breaking up the UK, but the nationalism of UKIP and their like risks the much greater danger of the breakup of the one thing that ensures that the fledgling democracies of Europe don't see their own Putins coming along and causing an international crisis that leads to another war that we would inevitably be drawn into.

Working together can improve what we've got (and it certainly needs improving), but UKIP's way is short sighted and risks abandoning countries that need the influence of the UK's mature democracy to potential turmoil that will cost us all an awful lot more than the few £s of tax we currently pay into the EU.
If I ever get to see UKIP campaigning with Alex Salmond for Scotland to leave the UK then I might start to believe their arguments are based upon a genuine belief that we're all better off going it alone, rather than them being just a bunch of small minded people who don't particularly care for foreigners and who fail to see the bigger picture. The EU needs improving, but it's an amazing force for good. European neighbours have squabbled and waged war for centuries, dictators ran many of those countries until as recently as 20 years ago - let's not forget that even Spain was under fascist dictatorship until the 1970s. If anyone likes to think Europe can never go back to all that, just look at how Putin is behaving over the Ukraine. Dangerous nationalism always leads to trouble. Working together for everyone's benefit ensures peace, stability and prosperity. Nationalism is the thing that took Europe into its darkest periods in the 20th century. The nationalism of Alex Salmond has a good chance of breaking up the UK, but the nationalism of UKIP and their like risks the much greater danger of the breakup of the one thing that ensures that the fledgling democracies of Europe don't see their own Putins coming along and causing an international crisis that leads to another war that we would inevitably be drawn into. Working together can improve what we've got (and it certainly needs improving), but UKIP's way is short sighted and risks abandoning countries that need the influence of the UK's mature democracy to potential turmoil that will cost us all an awful lot more than the few £s of tax we currently pay into the EU. voledog
  • Score: -1

10:04am Mon 26 May 14

St Jon says...

A very dark morning for Europe as, with chilling echoes of the '30s, we see a wave of fascism appearing across the continent as a whole. I agree that there is much to put right in the EU, but self imposed isolationism will simply guarantee this country's economic extinction against the real challenge facing us - not Europe, but the rise of the China, India, Brazil.... To have any chance of survival we need to operate as part of a European pack, be more flexible, work harder, live within our means, and cast off an entitlement culture that is 50 years past its sell by date. But sadly there is always a politician cynical enough to reassure that you can continue like before, because every problem is simply down to the foreigners. And sadder still, a proportion of the electorate gormless enough to believe him.
A very dark morning for Europe as, with chilling echoes of the '30s, we see a wave of fascism appearing across the continent as a whole. I agree that there is much to put right in the EU, but self imposed isolationism will simply guarantee this country's economic extinction against the real challenge facing us - not Europe, but the rise of the China, India, Brazil.... To have any chance of survival we need to operate as part of a European pack, be more flexible, work harder, live within our means, and cast off an entitlement culture that is 50 years past its sell by date. But sadly there is always a politician cynical enough to reassure that you can continue like before, because every problem is simply down to the foreigners. And sadder still, a proportion of the electorate gormless enough to believe him. St Jon
  • Score: 0

10:21am Mon 26 May 14

3thinker says...

Hopefully UKIPs success at the polls will give the mainstream parties the wake up call they need to stop political point scoring and focus on what is needed to improve the lot of all and not just the factional and personal interests they represent.
Hopefully UKIPs success at the polls will give the mainstream parties the wake up call they need to stop political point scoring and focus on what is needed to improve the lot of all and not just the factional and personal interests they represent. 3thinker
  • Score: 32

10:33am Mon 26 May 14

danieled says...

What a miserable pair of comments preceded mine. They wouldn't like my reference back to WW2 but where would we be now if the country had been inhabited by that sort of people - under the Nazi heel. Instead of which we are under the heel of the new USSR, commonly called the EUSSR.

Where is their patriotism which they would call something like inward looking Little Englanders. Do they like 70/80% of our laws being made in Brussels? We are told that the MEPs we have voted for represent us - they do not. The majority of them are Europhiles who merely rubberstamp the Commissions wishes - they cannot make laws themselves. What sort of democracy is that?

Regarding the claim that the EU has stopped European wars, what about the unrest and riots it has caused in the Eurozone, many of whose people are now coming to Britain to earn a living. And we had to contribute to save the Euro which we don't subscribe to. And who but the EU caused the unrest in Ukraine by encroaching on Russia's traditional sphere of influence - our leaders in Brussels either didn't know their history or assumed they were too powerful to worry about Russia. Putin proved them wrong and they have had to rely on America to resue them.

Today is a day of rejoicing not of gloom and doom. And thankfully UKIP topped the polls in Worcester.
What a miserable pair of comments preceded mine. They wouldn't like my reference back to WW2 but where would we be now if the country had been inhabited by that sort of people - under the Nazi heel. Instead of which we are under the heel of the new USSR, commonly called the EUSSR. Where is their patriotism which they would call something like inward looking Little Englanders. Do they like 70/80% of our laws being made in Brussels? We are told that the MEPs we have voted for represent us - they do not. The majority of them are Europhiles who merely rubberstamp the Commissions wishes - they cannot make laws themselves. What sort of democracy is that? Regarding the claim that the EU has stopped European wars, what about the unrest and riots it has caused in the Eurozone, many of whose people are now coming to Britain to earn a living. And we had to contribute to save the Euro which we don't subscribe to. And who but the EU caused the unrest in Ukraine by encroaching on Russia's traditional sphere of influence - our leaders in Brussels either didn't know their history or assumed they were too powerful to worry about Russia. Putin proved them wrong and they have had to rely on America to resue them. Today is a day of rejoicing not of gloom and doom. And thankfully UKIP topped the polls in Worcester. danieled
  • Score: -2

10:59am Mon 26 May 14

Hugh Wattmate says...

I dislike UKIP and think they will be worse than the Tories. But hey at least they are not the Tories right :D
I dislike UKIP and think they will be worse than the Tories. But hey at least they are not the Tories right :D Hugh Wattmate
  • Score: -21

11:15am Mon 26 May 14

danieled says...

I see the LibLabCons are out in force this morning. Despite Worcester people trouncing them in the MEP elections they have gained 10 votes between them to my -3. Not that I'm surprised given the amount of muck thrown at UKIP prior to the election.
I see the LibLabCons are out in force this morning. Despite Worcester people trouncing them in the MEP elections they have gained 10 votes between them to my -3. Not that I'm surprised given the amount of muck thrown at UKIP prior to the election. danieled
  • Score: 2

11:30am Mon 26 May 14

voledog says...

danieled wrote:
What a miserable pair of comments preceded mine. They wouldn't like my reference back to WW2 but where would we be now if the country had been inhabited by that sort of people - under the Nazi heel. Instead of which we are under the heel of the new USSR, commonly called the EUSSR.

Where is their patriotism which they would call something like inward looking Little Englanders. Do they like 70/80% of our laws being made in Brussels? We are told that the MEPs we have voted for represent us - they do not. The majority of them are Europhiles who merely rubberstamp the Commissions wishes - they cannot make laws themselves. What sort of democracy is that?

Regarding the claim that the EU has stopped European wars, what about the unrest and riots it has caused in the Eurozone, many of whose people are now coming to Britain to earn a living. And we had to contribute to save the Euro which we don't subscribe to. And who but the EU caused the unrest in Ukraine by encroaching on Russia's traditional sphere of influence - our leaders in Brussels either didn't know their history or assumed they were too powerful to worry about Russia. Putin proved them wrong and they have had to rely on America to resue them.

Today is a day of rejoicing not of gloom and doom. And thankfully UKIP topped the polls in Worcester.
While I actually agree that MEPs do little to truly represent us, it's better that instead of being isolationist they're all sat in a big room talking to each (with the notable exception of UKIP MEPs who just take the money and do sod all for their constituents). Europe does have common legislation that all member states have to adhere to ensure a common standard for businesses, human rights and the environment, but to say it makes 70/80% of our laws just shows that you confuse what's printed on the front page of the Daily Mail with facts.

The EU talking about helping Ukraine to trade with other countries is not the same as Russia invading another state, although I agree the EU (and William Hague in particular) could have handled the situation a lot better. Ukrainian nationalism is as much as the root of their current problems as Russian nationalism is. The problem is one encourages the other. Once someone starts waving their flags at someone else, they start waving theirs back at them.

That's why being one is better than being many. England was better once we stopped being tribes that fought each other, the UK was better once we pulled together and stopped fighting and oppressing each other, and Europe is better with a parliament that makes sure we all live in fair and just nations that work for the common good.

True patriotism doesn't mean waving flags and pulling up the draw bridge, it means working together so everyone's better off.
[quote][p][bold]danieled[/bold] wrote: What a miserable pair of comments preceded mine. They wouldn't like my reference back to WW2 but where would we be now if the country had been inhabited by that sort of people - under the Nazi heel. Instead of which we are under the heel of the new USSR, commonly called the EUSSR. Where is their patriotism which they would call something like inward looking Little Englanders. Do they like 70/80% of our laws being made in Brussels? We are told that the MEPs we have voted for represent us - they do not. The majority of them are Europhiles who merely rubberstamp the Commissions wishes - they cannot make laws themselves. What sort of democracy is that? Regarding the claim that the EU has stopped European wars, what about the unrest and riots it has caused in the Eurozone, many of whose people are now coming to Britain to earn a living. And we had to contribute to save the Euro which we don't subscribe to. And who but the EU caused the unrest in Ukraine by encroaching on Russia's traditional sphere of influence - our leaders in Brussels either didn't know their history or assumed they were too powerful to worry about Russia. Putin proved them wrong and they have had to rely on America to resue them. Today is a day of rejoicing not of gloom and doom. And thankfully UKIP topped the polls in Worcester.[/p][/quote]While I actually agree that MEPs do little to truly represent us, it's better that instead of being isolationist they're all sat in a big room talking to each (with the notable exception of UKIP MEPs who just take the money and do sod all for their constituents). Europe does have common legislation that all member states have to adhere to ensure a common standard for businesses, human rights and the environment, but to say it makes 70/80% of our laws just shows that you confuse what's printed on the front page of the Daily Mail with facts. The EU talking about helping Ukraine to trade with other countries is not the same as Russia invading another state, although I agree the EU (and William Hague in particular) could have handled the situation a lot better. Ukrainian nationalism is as much as the root of their current problems as Russian nationalism is. The problem is one encourages the other. Once someone starts waving their flags at someone else, they start waving theirs back at them. That's why being one is better than being many. England was better once we stopped being tribes that fought each other, the UK was better once we pulled together and stopped fighting and oppressing each other, and Europe is better with a parliament that makes sure we all live in fair and just nations that work for the common good. True patriotism doesn't mean waving flags and pulling up the draw bridge, it means working together so everyone's better off. voledog
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11:38am Mon 26 May 14

voledog says...

danieled wrote:
I see the LibLabCons are out in force this morning. Despite Worcester people trouncing them in the MEP elections they have gained 10 votes between them to my -3. Not that I'm surprised given the amount of muck thrown at UKIP prior to the election.
A UKIP supporter who only likes voting when it goes their way. Clearly as much thought went into that comment as has gone into UKIP's policies on the NHS, the economy, education etc.,etc.,etc.
[quote][p][bold]danieled[/bold] wrote: I see the LibLabCons are out in force this morning. Despite Worcester people trouncing them in the MEP elections they have gained 10 votes between them to my -3. Not that I'm surprised given the amount of muck thrown at UKIP prior to the election.[/p][/quote]A UKIP supporter who only likes voting when it goes their way. Clearly as much thought went into that comment as has gone into UKIP's policies on the NHS, the economy, education etc.,etc.,etc. voledog
  • Score: -10

12:09pm Mon 26 May 14

WJS1950 says...

I understand some people's dissent towards the EU and their reasons for opting out. However, the majority of people's support for UKIP is much more than wanting to opt out of Europe purely for keeping decision making processes, including law-making, within the UK. On the contrary, the lack of any real policies on anything else other than immigration and nationalism doesn't seem to bother those who support UKIP and this has been reflected time and time again listening to voters interviewed about their support for UKIP.

Voters weren't interested in anything else apart from immigration and nationalism, and this is worrying. Some of the language coming from some UKIP members and supporters suggests that all that people are worried about is the UK being multi-cultural and they wish to see this reversed. In fact, it wouldn't go amiss to say that UKIP supporters want UK to be a nation for British-whites only.

Never mind UKIP's total lack of detailed and realistic policies towards the economy, transport, health, crime, environment, defense etc, it seems that nationalism is the only thing that matters and this support is growing. This time next year UKIP will have MPs and that's when the make-up and identity of UK will start to change. I really do fear for those living in the UK who weren't born here or whose origins are from elsewhere. Yes, we do need to have stricter controls on who comes to, work in and lives in the UK, but you just know that UKIP's policy will be extreme and there will be a right-wing element to it, supported by the number of 'racial' slurs that keep coming out from UKIP members.
I understand some people's dissent towards the EU and their reasons for opting out. However, the majority of people's support for UKIP is much more than wanting to opt out of Europe purely for keeping decision making processes, including law-making, within the UK. On the contrary, the lack of any real policies on anything else other than immigration and nationalism doesn't seem to bother those who support UKIP and this has been reflected time and time again listening to voters interviewed about their support for UKIP. Voters weren't interested in anything else apart from immigration and nationalism, and this is worrying. Some of the language coming from some UKIP members and supporters suggests that all that people are worried about is the UK being multi-cultural and they wish to see this reversed. In fact, it wouldn't go amiss to say that UKIP supporters want UK to be a nation for British-whites only. Never mind UKIP's total lack of detailed and realistic policies towards the economy, transport, health, crime, environment, defense etc, it seems that nationalism is the only thing that matters and this support is growing. This time next year UKIP will have MPs and that's when the make-up and identity of UK will start to change. I really do fear for those living in the UK who weren't born here or whose origins are from elsewhere. Yes, we do need to have stricter controls on who comes to, work in and lives in the UK, but you just know that UKIP's policy will be extreme and there will be a right-wing element to it, supported by the number of 'racial' slurs that keep coming out from UKIP members. WJS1950
  • Score: -11

12:45pm Mon 26 May 14

Bismarck says...

WJS1950 wrote:
I understand some people's dissent towards the EU and their reasons for opting out. However, the majority of people's support for UKIP is much more than wanting to opt out of Europe purely for keeping decision making processes, including law-making, within the UK. On the contrary, the lack of any real policies on anything else other than immigration and nationalism doesn't seem to bother those who support UKIP and this has been reflected time and time again listening to voters interviewed about their support for UKIP.

Voters weren't interested in anything else apart from immigration and nationalism, and this is worrying. Some of the language coming from some UKIP members and supporters suggests that all that people are worried about is the UK being multi-cultural and they wish to see this reversed. In fact, it wouldn't go amiss to say that UKIP supporters want UK to be a nation for British-whites only.

Never mind UKIP's total lack of detailed and realistic policies towards the economy, transport, health, crime, environment, defense etc, it seems that nationalism is the only thing that matters and this support is growing. This time next year UKIP will have MPs and that's when the make-up and identity of UK will start to change. I really do fear for those living in the UK who weren't born here or whose origins are from elsewhere. Yes, we do need to have stricter controls on who comes to, work in and lives in the UK, but you just know that UKIP's policy will be extreme and there will be a right-wing element to it, supported by the number of 'racial' slurs that keep coming out from UKIP members.
Staggering.

The way the mainstream media have distorted UKIP's message of outward-facing embrace of the global economy seems to have been effective with some people, even though it failed to dent their election results.

The EU is an outdated and parochial construct which has no place in the 21st century. if small countries like Switzerland and Iceland can have free trade agreements with the China et al then so can the UK. Being part of a customs union trading bloc like the EU is simply unnecessary now. We need to turn around and embrace the developing nations across the oceans, not focus internally on an anachronistic political union with our European neighbours.

Even with the Common External Tariff in place we have a trade surplus with the rest of the world, and have run a trade deficit with the rest of the EU single market in every single year but one since 1973. The EU is great for trade is it?

Try as you might to paint UKIPPERS as narrow-minded nationalists if you wish, but do not forget that the party's message is about establishing free-trade with the rest of the world, not retreating behind a protectionist EU-wall.

Similarly, you can spin the 'anti-immigrant' message too, but bear in mind that UKIP want an immigration system based on skills and irrespective of someone's country of origin.

I hope UKIP go from strength to strength and establish a presence in Westminster next year. The Liberal-Left need another slap in the face beyond what they've just had.
[quote][p][bold]WJS1950[/bold] wrote: I understand some people's dissent towards the EU and their reasons for opting out. However, the majority of people's support for UKIP is much more than wanting to opt out of Europe purely for keeping decision making processes, including law-making, within the UK. On the contrary, the lack of any real policies on anything else other than immigration and nationalism doesn't seem to bother those who support UKIP and this has been reflected time and time again listening to voters interviewed about their support for UKIP. Voters weren't interested in anything else apart from immigration and nationalism, and this is worrying. Some of the language coming from some UKIP members and supporters suggests that all that people are worried about is the UK being multi-cultural and they wish to see this reversed. In fact, it wouldn't go amiss to say that UKIP supporters want UK to be a nation for British-whites only. Never mind UKIP's total lack of detailed and realistic policies towards the economy, transport, health, crime, environment, defense etc, it seems that nationalism is the only thing that matters and this support is growing. This time next year UKIP will have MPs and that's when the make-up and identity of UK will start to change. I really do fear for those living in the UK who weren't born here or whose origins are from elsewhere. Yes, we do need to have stricter controls on who comes to, work in and lives in the UK, but you just know that UKIP's policy will be extreme and there will be a right-wing element to it, supported by the number of 'racial' slurs that keep coming out from UKIP members.[/p][/quote]Staggering. The way the mainstream media have distorted UKIP's message of outward-facing embrace of the global economy seems to have been effective with some people, even though it failed to dent their election results. The EU is an outdated and parochial construct which has no place in the 21st century. if small countries like Switzerland and Iceland can have free trade agreements with the China et al then so can the UK. Being part of a customs union trading bloc like the EU is simply unnecessary now. We need to turn around and embrace the developing nations across the oceans, not focus internally on an anachronistic political union with our European neighbours. Even with the Common External Tariff in place we have a trade surplus with the rest of the world, and have run a trade deficit with the rest of the EU single market in every single year but one since 1973. The EU is great for trade is it? Try as you might to paint UKIPPERS as narrow-minded nationalists if you wish, but do not forget that the party's message is about establishing free-trade with the rest of the world, not retreating behind a protectionist EU-wall. Similarly, you can spin the 'anti-immigrant' message too, but bear in mind that UKIP want an immigration system based on skills and irrespective of someone's country of origin. I hope UKIP go from strength to strength and establish a presence in Westminster next year. The Liberal-Left need another slap in the face beyond what they've just had. Bismarck
  • Score: 12

12:55pm Mon 26 May 14

saucerer says...

WJS1950 wrote:
I understand some people's dissent towards the EU and their reasons for opting out. However, the majority of people's support for UKIP is much more than wanting to opt out of Europe purely for keeping decision making processes, including law-making, within the UK. On the contrary, the lack of any real policies on anything else other than immigration and nationalism doesn't seem to bother those who support UKIP and this has been reflected time and time again listening to voters interviewed about their support for UKIP.

Voters weren't interested in anything else apart from immigration and nationalism, and this is worrying. Some of the language coming from some UKIP members and supporters suggests that all that people are worried about is the UK being multi-cultural and they wish to see this reversed. In fact, it wouldn't go amiss to say that UKIP supporters want UK to be a nation for British-whites only.

Never mind UKIP's total lack of detailed and realistic policies towards the economy, transport, health, crime, environment, defense etc, it seems that nationalism is the only thing that matters and this support is growing. This time next year UKIP will have MPs and that's when the make-up and identity of UK will start to change. I really do fear for those living in the UK who weren't born here or whose origins are from elsewhere. Yes, we do need to have stricter controls on who comes to, work in and lives in the UK, but you just know that UKIP's policy will be extreme and there will be a right-wing element to it, supported by the number of 'racial' slurs that keep coming out from UKIP members.
You may not agree with UKIP and their supporters's views WJS1950, but there are may more people who do and they can see what is happening to this country if nothing is done. And there is nothing wrong on focusing on nationalism and patriotism, and the fact that this strikes a chord with so many millions of people up and down the country suggests that actually, people are sick and tired with what has happened to the UK and that they would now like to see their country back, and like it or not, this is the majority view.
[quote][p][bold]WJS1950[/bold] wrote: I understand some people's dissent towards the EU and their reasons for opting out. However, the majority of people's support for UKIP is much more than wanting to opt out of Europe purely for keeping decision making processes, including law-making, within the UK. On the contrary, the lack of any real policies on anything else other than immigration and nationalism doesn't seem to bother those who support UKIP and this has been reflected time and time again listening to voters interviewed about their support for UKIP. Voters weren't interested in anything else apart from immigration and nationalism, and this is worrying. Some of the language coming from some UKIP members and supporters suggests that all that people are worried about is the UK being multi-cultural and they wish to see this reversed. In fact, it wouldn't go amiss to say that UKIP supporters want UK to be a nation for British-whites only. Never mind UKIP's total lack of detailed and realistic policies towards the economy, transport, health, crime, environment, defense etc, it seems that nationalism is the only thing that matters and this support is growing. This time next year UKIP will have MPs and that's when the make-up and identity of UK will start to change. I really do fear for those living in the UK who weren't born here or whose origins are from elsewhere. Yes, we do need to have stricter controls on who comes to, work in and lives in the UK, but you just know that UKIP's policy will be extreme and there will be a right-wing element to it, supported by the number of 'racial' slurs that keep coming out from UKIP members.[/p][/quote]You may not agree with UKIP and their supporters's views WJS1950, but there are may more people who do and they can see what is happening to this country if nothing is done. And there is nothing wrong on focusing on nationalism and patriotism, and the fact that this strikes a chord with so many millions of people up and down the country suggests that actually, people are sick and tired with what has happened to the UK and that they would now like to see their country back, and like it or not, this is the majority view. saucerer
  • Score: 12

12:57pm Mon 26 May 14

danieled says...

WJS1950

Until now UKIP hasn't had a chance in hell of getting a seat in Parliament so there was no need to publicise any proposals other than immigration and the EU. Farage has said this morning that during the coming twelve months he will appoint people to the various posts required for government. UKIP has grown because people, including Worcester people, have become tired of the three main parties ignoring them - it was not only about the EU.

Regarding racism charges UKIP supportters in the main are not racist - they just want to be in control of who comes into the country. My son-in-law, who is a late comer to UKIP asked me yesterday whether I objected to Philipino nurses. Of course I didn't . I was in hospital for several months last year and was nursed by any number of nationalities. But controlled immigration is a must. We do not have room for unlimited hordes from Europe and elswhere.

Yes, multiculturalism is bad for any country. London is now a majority of immigrants, with pockets of Somalis, pockets of Pakistanis who have brought their countries with them - all they are here for is a more comfortable life than at home. Tower Hamlets is constantly guilty of bribery and other misfeasances. Ballot papers for the EU elections were folded so that the UKIP candidate was hidden from sight when the paper was opened - did that happen in Worcester?

You will no doubt interpret my remarks as racism, but would you like the whole of Britain to be like that?
WJS1950 Until now UKIP hasn't had a chance in hell of getting a seat in Parliament so there was no need to publicise any proposals other than immigration and the EU. Farage has said this morning that during the coming twelve months he will appoint people to the various posts required for government. UKIP has grown because people, including Worcester people, have become tired of the three main parties ignoring them - it was not only about the EU. Regarding racism charges UKIP supportters in the main are not racist - they just want to be in control of who comes into the country. My son-in-law, who is a late comer to UKIP asked me yesterday whether I objected to Philipino nurses. Of course I didn't . I was in hospital for several months last year and was nursed by any number of nationalities. But controlled immigration is a must. We do not have room for unlimited hordes from Europe and elswhere. Yes, multiculturalism is bad for any country. London is now a majority of immigrants, with pockets of Somalis, pockets of Pakistanis who have brought their countries with them - all they are here for is a more comfortable life than at home. Tower Hamlets is constantly guilty of bribery and other misfeasances. Ballot papers for the EU elections were folded so that the UKIP candidate was hidden from sight when the paper was opened - did that happen in Worcester? You will no doubt interpret my remarks as racism, but would you like the whole of Britain to be like that? danieled
  • Score: 1

2:14pm Mon 26 May 14

Keith B says...

The comments above are not racist - they simply recognise a reality that we can all see, but the metropolitan media and the Westminster bubble deny.

I do not understand how the opponents to UKIP accuse the Party of being racist. Certainly it has supporters who make comments that are taken as racist by a sector of the population that seek racism in every corner. But actually UKIP is the LEAST racist Party of all.

The established Party's are hell bent on remaining part of the EU treaty, thus welcoming immigrants from inside the predominantly white EU borders but exclude and will restrict immigration from the remainder of the world, including commonwealth nations with whom we share a head of state. If that isn't racist policy I don't know what is.

UKIP on the other hand wants to create borders on this group of islands that WELCOMES people of all colours and races on the Australian model, including people from EU member states, as long as they have the right qualifications to contribute to this nation's economy and welfare. If they bring a skill, from engineering to medical skills to the ability to create a business, they can be welcomed.

The established Party's and the BBC will keep subtly pushing the line that UKIP is somehow racist, for self serving reason but they need to take a look at their own policies and stop throwing stones in glass houses.
The comments above are not racist - they simply recognise a reality that we can all see, but the metropolitan media and the Westminster bubble deny. I do not understand how the opponents to UKIP accuse the Party of being racist. Certainly it has supporters who make comments that are taken as racist by a sector of the population that seek racism in every corner. But actually UKIP is the LEAST racist Party of all. The established Party's are hell bent on remaining part of the EU treaty, thus welcoming immigrants from inside the predominantly white EU borders but exclude and will restrict immigration from the remainder of the world, including commonwealth nations with whom we share a head of state. If that isn't racist policy I don't know what is. UKIP on the other hand wants to create borders on this group of islands that WELCOMES people of all colours and races on the Australian model, including people from EU member states, as long as they have the right qualifications to contribute to this nation's economy and welfare. If they bring a skill, from engineering to medical skills to the ability to create a business, they can be welcomed. The established Party's and the BBC will keep subtly pushing the line that UKIP is somehow racist, for self serving reason but they need to take a look at their own policies and stop throwing stones in glass houses. Keith B
  • Score: 7

2:23pm Mon 26 May 14

Keith B says...

Moving on ......

One thing is very clear .... that however good or hard working an MEP you are - and it is true what they say about many of the hardest working and most dedicated LibDem MEP's have been replaced by UKIP MEP's who, on their track record to date, won't put the hours in - that if you are not representing those who elected you, all that hard work counts for nothing.

Liberal Democrats in their unswerving support for the EU and it's institutions are simply not representing the view of most British people.
Of course it doesn't help that the media don't and won't report the work of MEP's, so the elections to the Euro Parliament came down to a referendum of the gut feeling of the public about the Westminster brand of the Party each candidate is attached to.

But the media also deliberately misunderstands what UKIP are about. UKIP want to destroy the Euro Parliament - thus attending committees and voting for things that perpetuate the Parliament goes against their own basic principle. Being a hard working MEP goes against the reason they were elected to the Parliament.

Similarly, when the press attack UKIP for taking money from the EU, they misunderstand that by doing so UKIP members are following their beliefs in highlighting what a gravy train the EU is for its elected members (let alone its unelected commissioners) - and yes I recognise that the cynical will say that they take the money to feather their own nests but who doesn't take the salary they are offered by their employer.

What is different though is that UKIP MEP's actually want to put themselves out of work and off that gravy train.
Moving on ...... One thing is very clear .... that however good or hard working an MEP you are - and it is true what they say about many of the hardest working and most dedicated LibDem MEP's have been replaced by UKIP MEP's who, on their track record to date, won't put the hours in - that if you are not representing those who elected you, all that hard work counts for nothing. Liberal Democrats in their unswerving support for the EU and it's institutions are simply not representing the view of most British people. Of course it doesn't help that the media don't and won't report the work of MEP's, so the elections to the Euro Parliament came down to a referendum of the gut feeling of the public about the Westminster brand of the Party each candidate is attached to. But the media also deliberately misunderstands what UKIP are about. UKIP want to destroy the Euro Parliament - thus attending committees and voting for things that perpetuate the Parliament goes against their own basic principle. Being a hard working MEP goes against the reason they were elected to the Parliament. Similarly, when the press attack UKIP for taking money from the EU, they misunderstand that by doing so UKIP members are following their beliefs in highlighting what a gravy train the EU is for its elected members (let alone its unelected commissioners) - and yes I recognise that the cynical will say that they take the money to feather their own nests but who doesn't take the salary they are offered by their employer. What is different though is that UKIP MEP's actually want to put themselves out of work and off that gravy train. Keith B
  • Score: 7

3:05pm Mon 26 May 14

Keith B says...

Just one more comment

The London vote tells us much about the Capital. One reason that UKIP failed to progress in London is the elephant in the room that nobody will discuss (not even UKIP for fear of being labelled racist) - that more than 50% of the population in London is not indigenous to Britain with a large proportion coming from the EU, through which they have a right to vote. Are turkeys really going to vote for Christmas?
Just one more comment The London vote tells us much about the Capital. One reason that UKIP failed to progress in London is the elephant in the room that nobody will discuss (not even UKIP for fear of being labelled racist) - that more than 50% of the population in London is not indigenous to Britain with a large proportion coming from the EU, through which they have a right to vote. Are turkeys really going to vote for Christmas? Keith B
  • Score: 7

3:06pm Mon 26 May 14

danieled says...

KeithB

The media don't report the EU Parliament because it is largely a wasted organisation, there merely to give the impression that the EU is a democracy, which it isn't. I believe the Parliament has been given more power recently in that it now approves the laws presented by the unelected Commission. As the Parliament, even after this election, is still dominated by Europhiles it is really just a rubber stamping operation. It cannot create laws - it has to ask the Commission for permission and if it is refused nothing happens. The Commission has a scheme to provide millions of funds (our money) to groups of MEPS who in turn guarantee to support the Commission in what it wants to do. And let us not forget that laws promoted by the Commission require a 55% majority, whereas laws promoted by the elected Parliament or the elected Ministers who comprise the Council of Ministers require a majority of 70%.
KeithB The media don't report the EU Parliament because it is largely a wasted organisation, there merely to give the impression that the EU is a democracy, which it isn't. I believe the Parliament has been given more power recently in that it now approves the laws presented by the unelected Commission. As the Parliament, even after this election, is still dominated by Europhiles it is really just a rubber stamping operation. It cannot create laws - it has to ask the Commission for permission and if it is refused nothing happens. The Commission has a scheme to provide millions of funds (our money) to groups of MEPS who in turn guarantee to support the Commission in what it wants to do. And let us not forget that laws promoted by the Commission require a 55% majority, whereas laws promoted by the elected Parliament or the elected Ministers who comprise the Council of Ministers require a majority of 70%. danieled
  • Score: 3

3:10pm Mon 26 May 14

Jabbadad says...

As to the reported cheating by Tower Hamlets nothing in politics suprises me, annoys me oh YES. But this is the ilk of politics, in the same breath, they will be your worst enemy and your worst friend.
The one advantage about our political system is that we live in a free society, with free speech. So those who chose to support UKIP were perhaps better informed than people like voledog, and WJS1950 who don't see the corruption, total lack of democracy, and Billions of Euros being squandered in unacountable ways, with accounts not being signed off for at least 12 years, and everyone associated doing very nicely too. And then there are those who try to paint a rosy picture of the EU, and say that unlike Labour, CONservatives, Lib / Lab / Dem / Cons / open to offers (who have sold us down the river), UKIP have said loud & Clear that the original trading partnership of Nations is what we signed up for, and not as now with over 90% of our laws / rules coming from an unelected Brussles gathering and that we should under these rules and laws get back control of our own borders and Nation. Well I for one joining many thousands more also want my country back from Europe control.
As to immigration anyone not just trying to make a case of Racism should be able to recognise that without an immigration policy NOT just based upon Ethenicticity this Country quite small in comparisson to others in Europe , cannot continue to operate an open door policy. On any count be it Jobs,(forcing wages down, gangmasters from their own people cheating them out of their basic pay) Schools,(long waiting lists and some with over 30 different languages being spoken) Homes, (huge waiting list again, and huge numbers of imigrants living in hovels, garden sheds, 20 to a room) and being exploited by corrupt landlords, many from their own countries back home. An NHS frequently and efficiently staffed by imigrants who have been welcomed here to work and live among us as equals, who also recognise that the NHS is about to burst from under capacity / lack of funding.
So all you blinkered or ignoramuses, even non patriotic to this country, should carry on in the knowledge that the games up and that many quiete hard woking law abiding people are voting for this once great country.
I attended meetings and listened carefully to NIgel Farage, he didn,t try to con anybody he just spoke to those who wanted to listen in a manner that connected. NO SMOKE NO MIRRORS. It was very comfortable and reassuring. To all other political leaders you need to connect to the people, because you aren't. And come 2015 you will be dumped by the voters.
I HOPE.
As to the reported cheating by Tower Hamlets nothing in politics suprises me, annoys me oh YES. But this is the ilk of politics, in the same breath, they will be your worst enemy and your worst friend. The one advantage about our political system is that we live in a free society, with free speech. So those who chose to support UKIP were perhaps better informed than people like voledog, and WJS1950 who don't see the corruption, total lack of democracy, and Billions of Euros being squandered in unacountable ways, with accounts not being signed off for at least 12 years, and everyone associated doing very nicely too. And then there are those who try to paint a rosy picture of the EU, and say that unlike Labour, CONservatives, Lib / Lab / Dem / Cons / open to offers (who have sold us down the river), UKIP have said loud & Clear that the original trading partnership of Nations is what we signed up for, and not as now with over 90% of our laws / rules coming from an unelected Brussles gathering and that we should under these rules and laws get back control of our own borders and Nation. Well I for one joining many thousands more also want my country back from Europe control. As to immigration anyone not just trying to make a case of Racism should be able to recognise that without an immigration policy NOT just based upon Ethenicticity this Country quite small in comparisson to others in Europe , cannot continue to operate an open door policy. On any count be it Jobs,(forcing wages down, gangmasters from their own people cheating them out of their basic pay) Schools,(long waiting lists and some with over 30 different languages being spoken) Homes, (huge waiting list again, and huge numbers of imigrants living in hovels, garden sheds, 20 to a room) and being exploited by corrupt landlords, many from their own countries back home. An NHS frequently and efficiently staffed by imigrants who have been welcomed here to work and live among us as equals, who also recognise that the NHS is about to burst from under capacity / lack of funding. So all you blinkered or ignoramuses, even non patriotic to this country, should carry on in the knowledge that the games up and that many quiete hard woking law abiding people are voting for this once great country. I attended meetings and listened carefully to NIgel Farage, he didn,t try to con anybody he just spoke to those who wanted to listen in a manner that connected. NO SMOKE NO MIRRORS. It was very comfortable and reassuring. To all other political leaders you need to connect to the people, because you aren't. And come 2015 you will be dumped by the voters. I HOPE. Jabbadad
  • Score: 7

3:30pm Mon 26 May 14

saucerer says...

I forgot to say that I actually had a UKIP member pop round canvassing. Rather than the usual bulls*ht and spin the other parties come out with, UKIP were candid, honest, straightforward talking and genuinely represented the majority view of people in this country.

I asked them about immigration and what other people thought and, being truthful, they said that so many people they spoke to had enough of the open-doors policy that has been prevalent for decades in this country and they not just want to see immigration restricted but halted, while some wanted to go one step further and introduce a policy that would see all immigrants, even those who have been here for decades, sent back home. They said that if that's what the people of the UK want (i.e. to see non-UK nationals sent home), they'll do their best to see it happens because they are the party of the people and they're the only ones who listen to want people want.

The message is clear, while people are concerned about other policies like health, education, crime etc, they are most concerned about immigration, nationalism and the affect foreign influence is having on the UK. And only UKIP are prepared to do something about it. We must stop burying our heads in the sand and realise that UKIP are the only party that will stand up for UK nationals and do what is best for this country while, if we're honest, most of us are only kidding ourselves if we didn't want to see the mass ejection of immigrants. At the end of the day, we're not a tolerant society towards other countries, races, cultures and religions and only UKIP will do something about this.
I forgot to say that I actually had a UKIP member pop round canvassing. Rather than the usual bulls*ht and spin the other parties come out with, UKIP were candid, honest, straightforward talking and genuinely represented the majority view of people in this country. I asked them about immigration and what other people thought and, being truthful, they said that so many people they spoke to had enough of the open-doors policy that has been prevalent for decades in this country and they not just want to see immigration restricted but halted, while some wanted to go one step further and introduce a policy that would see all immigrants, even those who have been here for decades, sent back home. They said that if that's what the people of the UK want (i.e. to see non-UK nationals sent home), they'll do their best to see it happens because they are the party of the people and they're the only ones who listen to want people want. The message is clear, while people are concerned about other policies like health, education, crime etc, they are most concerned about immigration, nationalism and the affect foreign influence is having on the UK. And only UKIP are prepared to do something about it. We must stop burying our heads in the sand and realise that UKIP are the only party that will stand up for UK nationals and do what is best for this country while, if we're honest, most of us are only kidding ourselves if we didn't want to see the mass ejection of immigrants. At the end of the day, we're not a tolerant society towards other countries, races, cultures and religions and only UKIP will do something about this. saucerer
  • Score: 8

3:39pm Mon 26 May 14

3thinker says...

"They said that if that's what the people of the UK want (i.e. to see non-UK nationals sent home), they'll do their best to see it happens because they are the party of the people and they're the only ones who listen to want people want."

Does this also mean tUKIP will also seek to re-introduce the death penalty?
"They said that if that's what the people of the UK want (i.e. to see non-UK nationals sent home), they'll do their best to see it happens because they are the party of the people and they're the only ones who listen to want people want." Does this also mean tUKIP will also seek to re-introduce the death penalty? 3thinker
  • Score: 2

5:39pm Mon 26 May 14

Jabbadad says...

Me thinks you are confusing UKIP with the BNP who are up for all sorts of naughties. Nowhere have I read heard or see UkIP asking for compulsary repatriation. They rightly make no excuse for calling for Border Control. Only those who could possibly financially gain anything could oppose this, but even among those who have legally come to this country, settled, worked, paid into the system, are saying enough is enough. We have no more room for freeloaders, we actually have enough of our own, but Iain Duncan Smith is attacking (unsuccesfully I hear ) our own free loaders but the CONservatives are not seriously addressing the open door policy.
I did ponder when the weak comments during the frequent anti-UKIP electioneering on TV mentioned that the 2 millions EX Pats in europe would have to come home, Where did I read that EX-PATS when they went to live abroad and bought houses, were expecting or given Housing, where were EX-PATS given or expected Benefits / Dole money, and many EX-PATS still work while abroad, pay tax's and yet many belong to private health schemes.
And still in Spain and now Portugal I read that many EX-PATs are having their homes taken off them by some old law that the Spanish and Portugues have unearthed, and demands that the houses are knocked down and the land made good at the EX-PATS expense.
Me thinks you are confusing UKIP with the BNP who are up for all sorts of naughties. Nowhere have I read heard or see UkIP asking for compulsary repatriation. They rightly make no excuse for calling for Border Control. Only those who could possibly financially gain anything could oppose this, but even among those who have legally come to this country, settled, worked, paid into the system, are saying enough is enough. We have no more room for freeloaders, we actually have enough of our own, but Iain Duncan Smith is attacking (unsuccesfully I hear ) our own free loaders but the CONservatives are not seriously addressing the open door policy. I did ponder when the weak comments during the frequent anti-UKIP electioneering on TV mentioned that the 2 millions EX Pats in europe would have to come home, Where did I read that EX-PATS when they went to live abroad and bought houses, were expecting or given Housing, where were EX-PATS given or expected Benefits / Dole money, and many EX-PATS still work while abroad, pay tax's and yet many belong to private health schemes. And still in Spain and now Portugal I read that many EX-PATs are having their homes taken off them by some old law that the Spanish and Portugues have unearthed, and demands that the houses are knocked down and the land made good at the EX-PATS expense. Jabbadad
  • Score: 3

5:52pm Mon 26 May 14

danieled says...

Jabbadad

Somebody, possibly Clegg, said that 2m EU people are here and that that is balanced by 2m Brits living on the continent. But what he didn't say of course is that the 2m Brits are living in a number of countries, not all in Spain or Germany.
Jabbadad Somebody, possibly Clegg, said that 2m EU people are here and that that is balanced by 2m Brits living on the continent. But what he didn't say of course is that the 2m Brits are living in a number of countries, not all in Spain or Germany. danieled
  • Score: 2

6:35pm Mon 26 May 14

Doogie 46 says...

I`m not a UKIP supporter or voter, but I do find their incredible rise in popularity quite fascinating. And the way they have held their vote in the face of some revolting and brutal smearing by the two main political parties (oh - and the LibDems) is a superb kick in the you-know-whats for Cameron and the guy who can`t eat a bacon sandwich.
At no time have I heard UKIP state that they want to send immigrants back to where they came from, or stop all future immigration.
Unless I`ve missed something. their policy is to be able to CONTROL immigration, which is impossible as a member of the EU.
UKIP have brought into open debate the two main concerns of a vast number of British people - uncontrolled immigration and how much legislation is imposed on us, not by MEP`s but by unelected "pen pushers" and judges employed by the EU. The mainstream leaders do not accept that we should even have these concerns and so will not address them - Cameron is somewhat vague on what powers he wants to renegotiate, and in any case the free movement is not negotiable - hence the rise of UKIP.
Unfortunately, I suspect UKIP will hurt the Conservatives more than Labour so the appalling prospect of Balls (more of a swivel eyed loon than any UKIP member) as Chancellor may well become reality next year.
I`m not a UKIP supporter or voter, but I do find their incredible rise in popularity quite fascinating. And the way they have held their vote in the face of some revolting and brutal smearing by the two main political parties (oh - and the LibDems) is a superb kick in the you-know-whats for Cameron and the guy who can`t eat a bacon sandwich. At no time have I heard UKIP state that they want to send immigrants back to where they came from, or stop all future immigration. Unless I`ve missed something. their policy is to be able to CONTROL immigration, which is impossible as a member of the EU. UKIP have brought into open debate the two main concerns of a vast number of British people - uncontrolled immigration and how much legislation is imposed on us, not by MEP`s but by unelected "pen pushers" and judges employed by the EU. The mainstream leaders do not accept that we should even have these concerns and so will not address them - Cameron is somewhat vague on what powers he wants to renegotiate, and in any case the free movement is not negotiable - hence the rise of UKIP. Unfortunately, I suspect UKIP will hurt the Conservatives more than Labour so the appalling prospect of Balls (more of a swivel eyed loon than any UKIP member) as Chancellor may well become reality next year. Doogie 46
  • Score: 0

7:18pm Mon 26 May 14

Keith B says...

I have just wrtiiten the following to the BBC .....

Your so-called even handed Political editor Nick Robinson said on BBC1 6 o'clock news tonight ...

"People will take their vote more seriously at a general election." Nicky Campbell said something very similar this morning on Radio 5 and this type of comment has been going on all day on the BBC News channel. What a put down to the millions of your customers and paymasters who voted UKIP.

This follows the John Curtice quip on Radio 5 (at about 8.15 on the Friday morning after the election) who stated that people outside the Capital who voted UKIP were "less intelligent" or "less educated" - the implication being that people in London were more politically sophisticated than us hicks from the provinces. This was later repeated on television and on Radio 5's Drive programme, as fact by presenters and commentators alike.

Indeed, all day BBC commentators - not people from Party's - have reflected a real anti-UKIP bias that I have never heard on the BBC against any political group - not even the BNP. Is the metropolitan establishment so scared of the revolution Farage has started that it has become the mouthpiece for the self serving establishment Party's of Government.

It is quite clear that BBC News can no longer be trusted.
I have just wrtiiten the following to the BBC ..... Your so-called even handed Political editor Nick Robinson said on BBC1 6 o'clock news tonight ... "People will take their vote more seriously at a general election." Nicky Campbell said something very similar this morning on Radio 5 and this type of comment has been going on all day on the BBC News channel. What a put down to the millions of your customers and paymasters who voted UKIP. This follows the John Curtice quip on Radio 5 (at about 8.15 on the Friday morning after the election) who stated that people outside the Capital who voted UKIP were "less intelligent" or "less educated" - the implication being that people in London were more politically sophisticated than us hicks from the provinces. This was later repeated on television and on Radio 5's Drive programme, as fact by presenters and commentators alike. Indeed, all day BBC commentators - not people from Party's - have reflected a real anti-UKIP bias that I have never heard on the BBC against any political group - not even the BNP. Is the metropolitan establishment so scared of the revolution Farage has started that it has become the mouthpiece for the self serving establishment Party's of Government. It is quite clear that BBC News can no longer be trusted. Keith B
  • Score: 10

7:20pm Mon 26 May 14

RobertR says...

I find it amusing that the Pundits from the main parties as well as the BBC can't accept a democratic vote that wasn't what they wanted. In spite of everything they did to deride UKIP the Great British Public thought otherwise and voted for them. Democracy is terrible when it works against you.
I found it quite offensive that some Conservative Ex MP idiot interviewed on Midlands Today said that all the UKIP votes had come from BNP voters. How did she find that out ?. I thought that the balloting was secret?. My wife and I have never voted BNP. Well done UKIP!.
I find it amusing that the Pundits from the main parties as well as the BBC can't accept a democratic vote that wasn't what they wanted. In spite of everything they did to deride UKIP the Great British Public thought otherwise and voted for them. Democracy is terrible when it works against you. I found it quite offensive that some Conservative Ex MP idiot interviewed on Midlands Today said that all the UKIP votes had come from BNP voters. How did she find that out ?. I thought that the balloting was secret?. My wife and I have never voted BNP. Well done UKIP!. RobertR
  • Score: 9

7:28pm Mon 26 May 14

DarrenM says...

I think after the eventual referendum when we've left the EU all these pro-EU voters should be deported.

After all they seem to like it so much, they might as well go and live there. ;)
I think after the eventual referendum when we've left the EU all these pro-EU voters should be deported. After all they seem to like it so much, they might as well go and live there. ;) DarrenM
  • Score: 1

7:31pm Mon 26 May 14

saucerer says...

Apologies if I'm suggesting UKIP are racist, that wasn't what I'm saying. What I meant is that UKIP are a party who listens to the electorate and would try to deliver policies which residents of the UK want. So when I asked them about immigration and asked about the views from other electorates on this matter (i.e. referring to to my above comment about ejection non-nationals), they said they'll do their best to see it happens because they will listen to people. This doesn't mean UKIP are racist, it means they're a party who listens and if people want to see non-nationals removed from the UK, they have to consider it if they're a party for the people.

As for the issue of arranging for non-nationals to leave the UK, we have to be honest with ourselves and recognise that actually, this is something which so many people in the UK would genuinely like to see. Also, the anti-EU stance and immigration policy from UKIP is also being seen, incorrectly but perhaps not by misinterpretation, by so many people as a policy to target all non-nationals and send them home packing as it were and this seems to be the main agenda for many people ahead of anything other policy like health, education etc and is perhaps why UKIP are the party of the moment. Some supporting expatriation see UKIP as a far-right party and as such I have no doubt that those with right-wing views voted for UKIP on those grounds which has led to their success.
Apologies if I'm suggesting UKIP are racist, that wasn't what I'm saying. What I meant is that UKIP are a party who listens to the electorate and would try to deliver policies which residents of the UK want. So when I asked them about immigration and asked about the views from other electorates on this matter (i.e. referring to to my above comment about ejection non-nationals), they said they'll do their best to see it happens because they will listen to people. This doesn't mean UKIP are racist, it means they're a party who listens and if people want to see non-nationals removed from the UK, they have to consider it if they're a party for the people. As for the issue of arranging for non-nationals to leave the UK, we have to be honest with ourselves and recognise that actually, this is something which so many people in the UK would genuinely like to see. Also, the anti-EU stance and immigration policy from UKIP is also being seen, incorrectly but perhaps not by misinterpretation, by so many people as a policy to target all non-nationals and send them home packing as it were and this seems to be the main agenda for many people ahead of anything other policy like health, education etc and is perhaps why UKIP are the party of the moment. Some supporting expatriation see UKIP as a far-right party and as such I have no doubt that those with right-wing views voted for UKIP on those grounds which has led to their success. saucerer
  • Score: 7

7:36pm Mon 26 May 14

3thinker says...

Keith B wrote:
I have just wrtiiten the following to the BBC .....

Your so-called even handed Political editor Nick Robinson said on BBC1 6 o'clock news tonight ...

"People will take their vote more seriously at a general election." Nicky Campbell said something very similar this morning on Radio 5 and this type of comment has been going on all day on the BBC News channel. What a put down to the millions of your customers and paymasters who voted UKIP.

This follows the John Curtice quip on Radio 5 (at about 8.15 on the Friday morning after the election) who stated that people outside the Capital who voted UKIP were "less intelligent" or "less educated" - the implication being that people in London were more politically sophisticated than us hicks from the provinces. This was later repeated on television and on Radio 5's Drive programme, as fact by presenters and commentators alike.

Indeed, all day BBC commentators - not people from Party's - have reflected a real anti-UKIP bias that I have never heard on the BBC against any political group - not even the BNP. Is the metropolitan establishment so scared of the revolution Farage has started that it has become the mouthpiece for the self serving establishment Party's of Government.

It is quite clear that BBC News can no longer be trusted.
But Farage himself promoted the EU elections as a 'free hit' to have a go at the establishment. Following your 'logic' Keith B I assume you'll agree that he was actually saying exactly what BBC commentators have been (correctly) saying. That is as with the last EU elections UKIP support will decrease when people have to vote at a general election. As he obviously agrees with the BBC comments I assume he also can't be trusted!
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: I have just wrtiiten the following to the BBC ..... Your so-called even handed Political editor Nick Robinson said on BBC1 6 o'clock news tonight ... "People will take their vote more seriously at a general election." Nicky Campbell said something very similar this morning on Radio 5 and this type of comment has been going on all day on the BBC News channel. What a put down to the millions of your customers and paymasters who voted UKIP. This follows the John Curtice quip on Radio 5 (at about 8.15 on the Friday morning after the election) who stated that people outside the Capital who voted UKIP were "less intelligent" or "less educated" - the implication being that people in London were more politically sophisticated than us hicks from the provinces. This was later repeated on television and on Radio 5's Drive programme, as fact by presenters and commentators alike. Indeed, all day BBC commentators - not people from Party's - have reflected a real anti-UKIP bias that I have never heard on the BBC against any political group - not even the BNP. Is the metropolitan establishment so scared of the revolution Farage has started that it has become the mouthpiece for the self serving establishment Party's of Government. It is quite clear that BBC News can no longer be trusted.[/p][/quote]But Farage himself promoted the EU elections as a 'free hit' to have a go at the establishment. Following your 'logic' Keith B I assume you'll agree that he was actually saying exactly what BBC commentators have been (correctly) saying. That is as with the last EU elections UKIP support will decrease when people have to vote at a general election. As he obviously agrees with the BBC comments I assume he also can't be trusted! 3thinker
  • Score: -6

7:45pm Mon 26 May 14

3thinker says...

DarrenM wrote:
I think after the eventual referendum when we've left the EU all these pro-EU voters should be deported.

After all they seem to like it so much, they might as well go and live there. ;)
What a brilliant idea.

Deport 50% of the population and control immigration. Is this UKIP policy or just your vision of the future Darren?
[quote][p][bold]DarrenM[/bold] wrote: I think after the eventual referendum when we've left the EU all these pro-EU voters should be deported. After all they seem to like it so much, they might as well go and live there. ;)[/p][/quote]What a brilliant idea. Deport 50% of the population and control immigration. Is this UKIP policy or just your vision of the future Darren? 3thinker
  • Score: -3

7:46pm Mon 26 May 14

Keith B says...

I doubt the UKIP vote will decrease but because more people vote at a General Election, their percentage of the vote might well fall.
I doubt the UKIP vote will decrease but because more people vote at a General Election, their percentage of the vote might well fall. Keith B
  • Score: -3

8:13pm Mon 26 May 14

3thinker says...

Keith B wrote:
I doubt the UKIP vote will decrease but because more people vote at a General Election, their percentage of the vote might well fall.
It did last time!

16% UKIP vote at EU elections 2009, 3% at National in 2010.
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: I doubt the UKIP vote will decrease but because more people vote at a General Election, their percentage of the vote might well fall.[/p][/quote]It did last time! 16% UKIP vote at EU elections 2009, 3% at National in 2010. 3thinker
  • Score: -1

8:32pm Mon 26 May 14

Keith B says...

3thinker wrote:
Keith B wrote:
I doubt the UKIP vote will decrease but because more people vote at a General Election, their percentage of the vote might well fall.
It did last time!

16% UKIP vote at EU elections 2009, 3% at National in 2010.
That was last time - things have moved on.
[quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: I doubt the UKIP vote will decrease but because more people vote at a General Election, their percentage of the vote might well fall.[/p][/quote]It did last time! 16% UKIP vote at EU elections 2009, 3% at National in 2010.[/p][/quote]That was last time - things have moved on. Keith B
  • Score: 2

10:49pm Mon 26 May 14

GettingBy says...

Keith B wrote:
3thinker wrote:
Keith B wrote:
I doubt the UKIP vote will decrease but because more people vote at a General Election, their percentage of the vote might well fall.
It did last time!

16% UKIP vote at EU elections 2009, 3% at National in 2010.
That was last time - things have moved on.
Here's hoping that the party of the independent minded present a more meaningful manifesto than the "486 pages of drivel" they produced in 2010.

Here's a question then. How will UKIP present a united front in Parliament when they pride themselves on not having to follow a party whip?
[quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]3thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keith B[/bold] wrote: I doubt the UKIP vote will decrease but because more people vote at a General Election, their percentage of the vote might well fall.[/p][/quote]It did last time! 16% UKIP vote at EU elections 2009, 3% at National in 2010.[/p][/quote]That was last time - things have moved on.[/p][/quote]Here's hoping that the party of the independent minded present a more meaningful manifesto than the "486 pages of drivel" they produced in 2010. Here's a question then. How will UKIP present a united front in Parliament when they pride themselves on not having to follow a party whip? GettingBy
  • Score: 0

12:47am Tue 27 May 14

Jabbadad says...

Having to rely on a Party Whip in Parliament shows that these people we elect to represent OUR wishes do nothing of the sort, and just as our 3 MPs go to London to obey the Party, not the voter.
It's the same locally with Councillors voting like Sheep, demonstrating a lack of personal judgement / opinions. The many meetings I attended I could have written down the results of the vote before the meeting. They were as puppets with strings on their arms which the leaders pulled when voting took place. It was so childishly embarresing.
And these idiot MP's who sit there nodding in approval look just as stupid.
I am putting my hope in the younger generation who are as yet not involved in politics but are aware of what is going on around us and in the world as a whole, who will emerge with a new system of Politics, preferably compulsary voting and proportional representation which = Democracy, called any name they like. as long as they represent we the people, are paid a reasonable wage including expenses and being public money all accountable. Some reasonable Government accomadation like Student Dormers to be provided, and those who feel that is not for them, they can use elsewhere but pay out of their own pocket. We don't need to turn the clock back on what our politics stand for, just the Application.
Having to rely on a Party Whip in Parliament shows that these people we elect to represent OUR wishes do nothing of the sort, and just as our 3 MPs go to London to obey the Party, not the voter. It's the same locally with Councillors voting like Sheep, demonstrating a lack of personal judgement / opinions. The many meetings I attended I could have written down the results of the vote before the meeting. They were as puppets with strings on their arms which the leaders pulled when voting took place. It was so childishly embarresing. And these idiot MP's who sit there nodding in approval look just as stupid. I am putting my hope in the younger generation who are as yet not involved in politics but are aware of what is going on around us and in the world as a whole, who will emerge with a new system of Politics, preferably compulsary voting and proportional representation which = Democracy, called any name they like. as long as they represent we the people, are paid a reasonable wage including expenses and being public money all accountable. Some reasonable Government accomadation like Student Dormers to be provided, and those who feel that is not for them, they can use elsewhere but pay out of their own pocket. We don't need to turn the clock back on what our politics stand for, just the Application. Jabbadad
  • Score: 2

7:01am Tue 27 May 14

WorcsBornandBred says...

Ok so I didn't vote UKIP, but we have to give credit where it's due. Nigel Farage is, if anything, a cracking marketer!
Ok so I didn't vote UKIP, but we have to give credit where it's due. Nigel Farage is, if anything, a cracking marketer! WorcsBornandBred
  • Score: 3

9:32am Tue 27 May 14

danieled says...

There are a remarkable number of down votes being recorded on this thread. As many of them are placed on comments which are purely factual it seems that these people do not like to hear the truth.
There are a remarkable number of down votes being recorded on this thread. As many of them are placed on comments which are purely factual it seems that these people do not like to hear the truth. danieled
  • Score: -3

10:37pm Tue 27 May 14

RobertR says...

I went to a WDC council meeting a few years ago when the supporters for the Droitwich Lido were up against the WDC councillors. In all fairness the independents and Lib dems were all for it and provided a good case. When asked for a vote the Conservatives went into a strange state of torpor. It was like watching something possessed, their collective brain c seemed to leave them and they voted against what was a fairly logical proposition.Perhaps conspiracy theories are true.
It was quite a creepy experience seeing what passed for normally intelligent people having their commonsense overided. (haven't been to a meeting since)
I went to a WDC council meeting a few years ago when the supporters for the Droitwich Lido were up against the WDC councillors. In all fairness the independents and Lib dems were all for it and provided a good case. When asked for a vote the Conservatives went into a strange state of torpor. It was like watching something possessed, their collective brain c seemed to leave them and they voted against what was a fairly logical proposition.Perhaps conspiracy theories are true. It was quite a creepy experience seeing what passed for normally intelligent people having their commonsense overided. (haven't been to a meeting since) RobertR
  • Score: 7

11:32pm Tue 27 May 14

3thinker says...

"A UKIP councillor has been suspended by his party over claims he made racist and homophobic comments on Facebook"

Here we go again, yet another ABBA moment for UKIP in Worcestershire.

Of course its all a joke isn't it. UKIPPERs just having a laugh.

Really how can UKIP be treated seriously when so many of their elected and prospective candidates have had to be removed fro racist and homophobic comments.

Perhaps Keith B and colleagues would like to explain why Cllr Martin Jenkins should had resigned because the party was homophobic and yet his replacement Cllr David Small has had to be suspended for racist and homophobic comments.
"A UKIP councillor has been suspended by his party over claims he made racist and homophobic comments on Facebook" Here we go again, yet another ABBA moment for UKIP in Worcestershire. Of course its all a joke isn't it. UKIPPERs just having a laugh. Really how can UKIP be treated seriously when so many of their elected and prospective candidates have had to be removed fro racist and homophobic comments. Perhaps Keith B and colleagues would like to explain why Cllr Martin Jenkins should had resigned because the party was homophobic and yet his replacement Cllr David Small has had to be suspended for racist and homophobic comments. 3thinker
  • Score: 3

8:44am Wed 28 May 14

Keith B says...

Why should Keith B explain - I'm not a UKIP member, simply a supporter of democracy.

I'm a bit disappointed that every time somebody from UKIP is elected, a party worker from another Party rakes through their past to find an indiscretion because we've all said and done stupid things in our past - it doesn't mean that those are the views we hold today.

Even in these columns, indeed in this thread, I'm sure we could find comments that, in five years time those who made the comments would disown.

In my youth I joined an International Socialist Group (so radical the Communists would have nothing to do with us), protested outside the American Embassy against the Vietnam War and went on all sorts of marches and protests. I later joined the SDP and for 10 years was a Councillor in this County though I never did sign up for the Liberal takeover of the Party and thus became an Independent. Slowly, I've moved rightwards so now I'd say I'm a (small C small L) liberal conservative with UKIP leanings because, on a single issue, I'm against the undemocratic EU which currently make most of our laws and which I believe is damaging the UK because of open borders within the EU, but which keep out people from the rest of the world. I favour the Australian method of border control which takes in the best of the rest and excludes scroungers and criminals whether they are from Romania, Poland, Turkey, France, or New Zealand. Does that make me a racist. Far from it. It is the EU (supported by Labour and Liberal Democrats who scream racism at everyone else) that puts border controls on people with a different coloured skin.

But for all my liberal views I too am less than embracing of some other race's, do not like going into areas where another culture has taken over the streets (as in parts of Birmingham for example) do put different races into brackets (for example, with an attempted email fraud I immediately think it is from Nigeria) and do make illogical assumptions about people based on race and culture. It's called being human.

But this week, at this moment in time, I'm writing a piece based on what my views are at this moment.

Maybe Mr Small did or does hold views that do not represent the people who elected him - though I bet those views are held by many of his electors, who had every opportunity to look up his past comments before putting a cross against his name. It's up to UKIP whether they want him representing their label in the future - but the fact is that Mr Small was elected for a four year period to the Borough Council and as such, should be allowed to get on with the job of representing his community, with or without a Party label.

If they don't like how he does it, they can throw him out in four years time. It's what elections are for.


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Why should Keith B explain - I'm not a UKIP member, simply a supporter of democracy. I'm a bit disappointed that every time somebody from UKIP is elected, a party worker from another Party rakes through their past to find an indiscretion because we've all said and done stupid things in our past - it doesn't mean that those are the views we hold today. Even in these columns, indeed in this thread, I'm sure we could find comments that, in five years time those who made the comments would disown. In my youth I joined an International Socialist Group (so radical the Communists would have nothing to do with us), protested outside the American Embassy against the Vietnam War and went on all sorts of marches and protests. I later joined the SDP and for 10 years was a Councillor in this County though I never did sign up for the Liberal takeover of the Party and thus became an Independent. Slowly, I've moved rightwards so now I'd say I'm a (small C small L) liberal conservative with UKIP leanings because, on a single issue, I'm against the undemocratic EU which currently make most of our laws and which I believe is damaging the UK because of open borders within the EU, but which keep out people from the rest of the world. I favour the Australian method of border control which takes in the best of the rest and excludes scroungers and criminals whether they are from Romania, Poland, Turkey, France, or New Zealand. Does that make me a racist. Far from it. It is the EU (supported by Labour and Liberal Democrats who scream racism at everyone else) that puts border controls on people with a different coloured skin. But for all my liberal views I too am less than embracing of some other race's, do not like going into areas where another culture has taken over the streets (as in parts of Birmingham for example) do put different races into brackets (for example, with an attempted email fraud I immediately think it is from Nigeria) and do make illogical assumptions about people based on race and culture. It's called being human. But this week, at this moment in time, I'm writing a piece based on what my views are at this moment. Maybe Mr Small did or does hold views that do not represent the people who elected him - though I bet those views are held by many of his electors, who had every opportunity to look up his past comments before putting a cross against his name. It's up to UKIP whether they want him representing their label in the future - but the fact is that Mr Small was elected for a four year period to the Borough Council and as such, should be allowed to get on with the job of representing his community, with or without a Party label. If they don't like how he does it, they can throw him out in four years time. It's what elections are for. . Keith B
  • Score: -1

11:54am Wed 28 May 14

hagleywhinger says...

And lo the shiny new coach came past, and the Emperor had a beaming grin
and an upturned beer glass on his head He was followed by his fawning acolytes who did not have a clue where they were going but blindly followed the coach. The little boy at the side of the road stared for a while and then said, " Why have the Emperor and all the people following him got no clothes on?" Out of the mouths of babes?

As a follower of politics for 60 years and having seen all the changes in the British political scene, I can only say God help us if UKIP ever become a force in British politics.
And lo the shiny new coach came past, and the Emperor had a beaming grin and an upturned beer glass on his head He was followed by his fawning acolytes who did not have a clue where they were going but blindly followed the coach. The little boy at the side of the road stared for a while and then said, " Why have the Emperor and all the people following him got no clothes on?" Out of the mouths of babes? As a follower of politics for 60 years and having seen all the changes in the British political scene, I can only say God help us if UKIP ever become a force in British politics. hagleywhinger
  • Score: -1

12:25pm Wed 28 May 14

danieled says...

hagleywhinger wrote:
And lo the shiny new coach came past, and the Emperor had a beaming grin
and an upturned beer glass on his head He was followed by his fawning acolytes who did not have a clue where they were going but blindly followed the coach. The little boy at the side of the road stared for a while and then said, " Why have the Emperor and all the people following him got no clothes on?" Out of the mouths of babes?

As a follower of politics for 60 years and having seen all the changes in the British political scene, I can only say God help us if UKIP ever become a force in British politics.
And God help you and everybody else if we are stuck with the three other parties controlled by the EU, which is about to appoint a new president who will push for a federal Europe. We would be better as the 51st State of America - they can make their own laws which we can't.
[quote][p][bold]hagleywhinger[/bold] wrote: And lo the shiny new coach came past, and the Emperor had a beaming grin and an upturned beer glass on his head He was followed by his fawning acolytes who did not have a clue where they were going but blindly followed the coach. The little boy at the side of the road stared for a while and then said, " Why have the Emperor and all the people following him got no clothes on?" Out of the mouths of babes? As a follower of politics for 60 years and having seen all the changes in the British political scene, I can only say God help us if UKIP ever become a force in British politics.[/p][/quote]And God help you and everybody else if we are stuck with the three other parties controlled by the EU, which is about to appoint a new president who will push for a federal Europe. We would be better as the 51st State of America - they can make their own laws which we can't. danieled
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Wed 28 May 14

Keith B says...

Hagleywhinger needs to note - UKIP are a force in British Politics.
Hagleywhinger needs to note - UKIP are a force in British Politics. Keith B
  • Score: -1

4:03pm Wed 28 May 14

themooman says...

Truthfully though, between us all here - does anybody really care - i mean REALLY care?
Truthfully though, between us all here - does anybody really care - i mean REALLY care? themooman
  • Score: -2

4:29pm Wed 28 May 14

hagleywhinger says...

UKIP is political anti matter, a new Peasants' Revolt. It has no manifesto, no discipline and no whips. It is a crude protest party and deliberately rejects the conventional tools of democratic power and influence. It marches into the dark with its policies unexplored and unproven. Yes it has attracted votes but this achievement begs analysis. A third of those who supported UKIP last week did not vote at the last General Election and a fifth had not voted for 20 years. 60% said in a poll that they voted UKIP to send a message that they were unhappy with many things, and they were more worried about the economy and the NHS than the EU. Do we really want to hand power to a protest movement with little understanding of modern economics and our long established political system? Mr Farage and his followers should be careful what they wish for. The protest vote appeal will be destroyed if people see that actually wielding power has consequences. Just ask Nick Clegg! UKIP will be suffocated and the unintelligence completely unmasked if it led to political power. They refuse to vote in the institutions of the EU but the Local and County Councils and the Green Benches are totally different places. Hopefully, UKIP will disappear like the BNP, in the glare of responsibility. One side of me thinks UKIP will just be a dud firework - the other side of me is fearful , just as many in Germany in the early 30's were fearful. Enjoy the limelight Nigel, but most of us thankfully can see how vain and shallow you are.
UKIP is political anti matter, a new Peasants' Revolt. It has no manifesto, no discipline and no whips. It is a crude protest party and deliberately rejects the conventional tools of democratic power and influence. It marches into the dark with its policies unexplored and unproven. Yes it has attracted votes but this achievement begs analysis. A third of those who supported UKIP last week did not vote at the last General Election and a fifth had not voted for 20 years. 60% said in a poll that they voted UKIP to send a message that they were unhappy with many things, and they were more worried about the economy and the NHS than the EU. Do we really want to hand power to a protest movement with little understanding of modern economics and our long established political system? Mr Farage and his followers should be careful what they wish for. The protest vote appeal will be destroyed if people see that actually wielding power has consequences. Just ask Nick Clegg! UKIP will be suffocated and the unintelligence completely unmasked if it led to political power. They refuse to vote in the institutions of the EU but the Local and County Councils and the Green Benches are totally different places. Hopefully, UKIP will disappear like the BNP, in the glare of responsibility. One side of me thinks UKIP will just be a dud firework - the other side of me is fearful , just as many in Germany in the early 30's were fearful. Enjoy the limelight Nigel, but most of us thankfully can see how vain and shallow you are. hagleywhinger
  • Score: -3

5:03pm Wed 28 May 14

Doogie 46 says...

Well said hagleywhinger - you`ve just proved my point in my earlier comment regarding the revolting smearing of UKIP.
Well said hagleywhinger - you`ve just proved my point in my earlier comment regarding the revolting smearing of UKIP. Doogie 46
  • Score: 1

5:41pm Wed 28 May 14

danieled says...

RobertR wrote:
I went to a WDC council meeting a few years ago when the supporters for the Droitwich Lido were up against the WDC councillors. In all fairness the independents and Lib dems were all for it and provided a good case. When asked for a vote the Conservatives went into a strange state of torpor. It was like watching something possessed, their collective brain c seemed to leave them and they voted against what was a fairly logical proposition.Perhaps conspiracy theories are true.
It was quite a creepy experience seeing what passed for normally intelligent people having their commonsense overided. (haven't been to a meeting since)
It's the same in Parliament. Thirty MPs attend a debate and at the end of the debate 600 MPs suddenly appear to vote as the Whips tell them. Have you ever seen sheep following each other through a gap in the hedge - MPs to a T.
[quote][p][bold]RobertR[/bold] wrote: I went to a WDC council meeting a few years ago when the supporters for the Droitwich Lido were up against the WDC councillors. In all fairness the independents and Lib dems were all for it and provided a good case. When asked for a vote the Conservatives went into a strange state of torpor. It was like watching something possessed, their collective brain c seemed to leave them and they voted against what was a fairly logical proposition.Perhaps conspiracy theories are true. It was quite a creepy experience seeing what passed for normally intelligent people having their commonsense overided. (haven't been to a meeting since)[/p][/quote]It's the same in Parliament. Thirty MPs attend a debate and at the end of the debate 600 MPs suddenly appear to vote as the Whips tell them. Have you ever seen sheep following each other through a gap in the hedge - MPs to a T. danieled
  • Score: 3

7:20pm Wed 28 May 14

hagleywhinger says...

Full of admiration for the true Brits of UKIP who can eat a bacon sandwich anytime they like,and who will drive the Commie Ruskies off our streets when they come to power. And with gallant Dave Small, the heroic UKIP Councillor in Redditch, never fear, for all homosexuals are perverts apparently and will be dealt with. Bring on the cattle wagons. Power to the people.
Perhaps I should make no further comments or I will be on the list.
Full of admiration for the true Brits of UKIP who can eat a bacon sandwich anytime they like,and who will drive the Commie Ruskies off our streets when they come to power. And with gallant Dave Small, the heroic UKIP Councillor in Redditch, never fear, for all homosexuals are perverts apparently and will be dealt with. Bring on the cattle wagons. Power to the people. Perhaps I should make no further comments or I will be on the list. hagleywhinger
  • Score: -4

9:26pm Wed 28 May 14

St Jon says...

DarrenM wrote:
I think after the eventual referendum when we've left the EU all these pro-EU voters should be deported.

After all they seem to like it so much, they might as well go and live there. ;)
Before you get too excited, better to check the demographics of the Euro opinion polls. The pro EU camp are heavily skewed towards the under 50 educated professionals (who collectively pay almost all the uk's net taxation) with anti EU skewed towards over 50s without higher level education. If you don't believe me, or the statistics, then read UKIPs official spokesperson. Deport that section of society, together with half the immigrants ( and I suspect the other half of the immigrants clearing off as soon as the economy inevitably tanks), and you'll deliver a post apocalyptic vision of tumbleweed, crumblies and red necks. A bit like Malvern I suppose, but on a national scale. As for who will serve your meals, run essential services, pay those pensions......?

But don't let me put you off planning your spite driven pogrom against the broad minded in the name of democracy; besides, with modern mobility and a global war for talent, I suspect any that can will have cleared off long before you load them into cattle trucks at your shrub hill deportation camp.

Be careful what you wish for......
[quote][p][bold]DarrenM[/bold] wrote: I think after the eventual referendum when we've left the EU all these pro-EU voters should be deported. After all they seem to like it so much, they might as well go and live there. ;)[/p][/quote]Before you get too excited, better to check the demographics of the Euro opinion polls. The pro EU camp are heavily skewed towards the under 50 educated professionals (who collectively pay almost all the uk's net taxation) with anti EU skewed towards over 50s without higher level education. If you don't believe me, or the statistics, then read UKIPs official spokesperson. Deport that section of society, together with half the immigrants ( and I suspect the other half of the immigrants clearing off as soon as the economy inevitably tanks), and you'll deliver a post apocalyptic vision of tumbleweed, crumblies and red necks. A bit like Malvern I suppose, but on a national scale. As for who will serve your meals, run essential services, pay those pensions......? But don't let me put you off planning your spite driven pogrom against the broad minded in the name of democracy; besides, with modern mobility and a global war for talent, I suspect any that can will have cleared off long before you load them into cattle trucks at your shrub hill deportation camp. Be careful what you wish for...... St Jon
  • Score: 0

9:52pm Wed 28 May 14

danieled says...

I see St Jon has been happily soaking up all the LibDem propaganda.
I see St Jon has been happily soaking up all the LibDem propaganda. danieled
  • Score: 0

12:34am Thu 29 May 14

Jabbadad says...

St Jon, what a load of shoerepairers, UKIP have not called for repatriation. or any action against Homosexuals, The UKIP councillor who resigned did so for personal reasons. And yes all political party's collectives have their wild cards. But stop being sad losers over a substantial ammount of the British public having an opinion different to yours. It's called democracy and if you disagree then come on here and debate not throw your toys out of your pram. Since sadly for the saddos, UKIP are going to be arround long enough to knock some sense into the current politicians who think they can give away our sovereignty, and allow Brussells to rule us by laws made by the un-elected.
Those days are coming to an end Hooray.
St Jon, what a load of shoerepairers, UKIP have not called for repatriation. or any action against Homosexuals, The UKIP councillor who resigned did so for personal reasons. And yes all political party's collectives have their wild cards. But stop being sad losers over a substantial ammount of the British public having an opinion different to yours. It's called democracy and if you disagree then come on here and debate not throw your toys out of your pram. Since sadly for the saddos, UKIP are going to be arround long enough to knock some sense into the current politicians who think they can give away our sovereignty, and allow Brussells to rule us by laws made by the un-elected. Those days are coming to an end Hooray. Jabbadad
  • Score: 0

7:52am Thu 29 May 14

Keith B says...

What is interesting is that even if UKIP don't advance further their influence will have repercussions for years as both Labour and Conservative Party's scramble to adopt UKIP policy as their own (yes UKIP DOES have policy by the way). Even the Balls / Cooper wing of the Labour Party are now talking about immigration control - a total taboo for them before UKIP came on the scene.

The SDP aren't around any more but still have huge influence. New Labour was born from the SDP, with the Labour Party taking back the ground the SDP had filled in the 1980's, while of course Liberal Democrats are an amalgamation of the SDP and the Liberal Party of Gladstones time.

Indeed I suspect the internal fighting that is happening in the Lib Dems at the moment will be between the Social Democratic tendency and the old Liberal wing.

UKIP may or may not win very much due to an undemocratic electoral system for Parliament and Councils, but be sure, they are having and will have huge influence on the way the Country goes.

One point to ponder - if the General election result turns out that UKIP have 33% of the vote, Labour and Conservatives 25% each but UKIP end up with 5 seats and Labour and Conservatives 280 each and one of them forms a Government with the rump end of the LibDems (who'd on this weeks showing would take around 7% of the vote) will there be a revolution from the 30%?

Or maybe Scotland will have gone by then, which changes everything. We live in revolutionary times, and the politicians still haven't quite got it.
What is interesting is that even if UKIP don't advance further their influence will have repercussions for years as both Labour and Conservative Party's scramble to adopt UKIP policy as their own (yes UKIP DOES have policy by the way). Even the Balls / Cooper wing of the Labour Party are now talking about immigration control - a total taboo for them before UKIP came on the scene. The SDP aren't around any more but still have huge influence. New Labour was born from the SDP, with the Labour Party taking back the ground the SDP had filled in the 1980's, while of course Liberal Democrats are an amalgamation of the SDP and the Liberal Party of Gladstones time. Indeed I suspect the internal fighting that is happening in the Lib Dems at the moment will be between the Social Democratic tendency and the old Liberal wing. UKIP may or may not win very much due to an undemocratic electoral system for Parliament and Councils, but be sure, they are having and will have huge influence on the way the Country goes. One point to ponder - if the General election result turns out that UKIP have 33% of the vote, Labour and Conservatives 25% each but UKIP end up with 5 seats and Labour and Conservatives 280 each and one of them forms a Government with the rump end of the LibDems (who'd on this weeks showing would take around 7% of the vote) will there be a revolution from the 30%? Or maybe Scotland will have gone by then, which changes everything. We live in revolutionary times, and the politicians still haven't quite got it. Keith B
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9:35am Thu 29 May 14

danieled says...

Well said Keith B.
Well said Keith B. danieled
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