Council slashes itself to pieces - County Hall set for its biggest structural change in history

Malvern Gazette: County Hall, the HQ of Worcestershire County Council County Hall, the HQ of Worcestershire County Council

AROUND 1,500 jobs are being axed and 85 per cent of Worcestershire County Council's services handed to new providers - as the biggest change in its entire history was given the nod.

Politicians yesterday voted to accept the most radical overhaul the council has ever seen, signalling the start of a huge four-year plan to cut £100 million and radically shrink the workforce.

It means: - The private sector will be invited to take over swathes of service areas, as well as other interested bodies like charities and voluntary groups

- By 2018 the council is aiming to have just 2,000 in-house staff of its own, with 85 per cent of services provided externally

- The massive cull of the workforce includes the £78,500 assistant chief executive role, which is being scrapped, as well as finance director Patrick Birch's job, which pays £128,000

- Scores of middle-ranking managerial jobs are also in line to go, but a new 'commercial and change' director will be appointed to get working on the transformation

The council hopes many of the staff implicated can be found jobs with the new employers, transferring their terms and conditions over, although it will be done on a case-by-case basis.

The controversial change, which is partly being driven by shrinking Government funding, was voted through at a tense full council meeting yesterday despite bitter opposition from Labour, the Liberal Democrats and Green Party.

The new operating model will see only a few key areas remain in-house including social care and adults and children, support for businesses, and various environmental functions.

But almost everything else will up for grabs to the best bidders, with the council acting as a 'contract manager' to get the best deal.

Councillor Adrian Hardman, the leader, said: "It's quite clear to us that the prolonged austerity is really starting to drive significant change in local government and Worcestershire is not immune to this.

"We've developed a new operating model for a new era - it's a council which will move forward with the times."

He said the changes signal the end of supplying services "in a directly controlled way", adding that given the finances it was "a sensible and rational thing to do".

Councillor John Campion, who sits in the Conservative cabinet, said it was a way of "making services carry on in our communities that would otherwise cease to exist".

But during the debate Councillor Peter McDonald, Labour group leader, said: "The services we deliver, in the main, are ones the private sector doesn't because they can't afford to in their drive for profits.

"We would never accept this in a month of Sundays."

Labour, the Lib Dems and Greens all voted against it, but after Conservative backing it was accepted by 35 votes to 16.

OPPOSITION PARTIES WARN OVER ‘TOO FAST, TOO SOON’

WARNINGS are being made about the speed at which Worcestershire County Council is to shrink - amid fears the change is "too fast, too soon".

The Liberal Democrat group joined all the opposition parties in voting against the new operating model yesterday, saying they were in "depression" over it.

It came just after Councillor Adrian Hardman, the leader, compared the county's possible plight to "Liverpool in the 80s", saying he wanted to avoid a situation where he did nothing and had to make people redundant.

The council hopes in-house workers can transfer their roles to any new providers, saving at least some of the impact on the economy.

Among those safe from the job cuts is the current assistant chief executive Clare Marchant, as despite her existing role being axed, she is taking over the top position from Trish Haines in two weeks.

Councillor Liz Tucker, Lib Dem group leader, said: "I think we are going too fast, too soon.

"Yes, we do need to change but we don't need this dogma that everything needs to be externalised."

Councillor Sue Askin, a fellow Lib Dem, said she has looked at the new structure "with a degree of depression", saying it was "too much, too soon" to be voted through.

But the Cllr Hardman said he had thought about it for a long time, saying any more delays in what they call 'commisioning' would be risky.

"There is a difference of opinion, which is not surprising as that's what politics is all about," he said.

"My view is that we are going about it at the right pace, we've spent a lot of time thinking about this issue, I believe it's a measured approach."

Around 750 staff were consulted over it and he said they were optimistic about it.

He said Liverpool Council made so many staff redundant in the 1980s they "sent redundancy notices out in taxis", something he would not preside over in Worcestershire.

A ll manner of solutions will be looked at for making savings, including the prospect of some "joint venture" organisations created with other bodies.

A report on the new model says the private sector will also have a role, as will the possible creation of new arms-length bodies to take services over.

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11:25am Fri 16 May 14

brooksider says...

Why is Hardman harping back to over 30 years ago whilst enacting policies of the Tory party's own militant tendency?

What a pathetic mind set when introducing an 'operating model' placing at risk Council services and local people without adequate safeguards.
Why is Hardman harping back to over 30 years ago whilst enacting policies of the Tory party's own militant tendency? What a pathetic mind set when introducing an 'operating model' placing at risk Council services and local people without adequate safeguards. brooksider
  • Score: 25

12:35pm Fri 16 May 14

skychip says...

Expect we could do with less County Councillors.
Expect we could do with less County Councillors. skychip
  • Score: 10

1:04pm Fri 16 May 14

Jabbadad says...

Skychip my thoughts entirely, and they (County Counillors) cost we taxpayers OVER £820,000 per Year plus their allowances from the wards they represent, plus their support staff, and for what.
Most if not all the paperwork they refer to or use for presentations are written, provided by the very people they are sacking. I think the meetings would / will be very different indeed without the professional input from the County Council officers, in fact we just might see notes scribbled on the back of FAG PACKETS. But MORE SERIOUS it could mean that only wealthy people who can afford their own staff will be able to function in Politics. Sound Familiar?
Skychip my thoughts entirely, and they (County Counillors) cost we taxpayers OVER £820,000 per Year plus their allowances from the wards they represent, plus their support staff, and for what. Most if not all the paperwork they refer to or use for presentations are written, provided by the very people they are sacking. I think the meetings would / will be very different indeed without the professional input from the County Council officers, in fact we just might see notes scribbled on the back of FAG PACKETS. But MORE SERIOUS it could mean that only wealthy people who can afford their own staff will be able to function in Politics. Sound Familiar? Jabbadad
  • Score: 11

1:30pm Fri 16 May 14

Sulis76 says...

While the staff who will lose their jobs will feel demoralised, as a tax-payer I am glad that this long overdue change will now happen. For too long , the council has been overstaffed which not only meant high overheads and a large salary bill, but having too many staff meant people were doing very little because the workload simply wasn't there to support the large volume of staff employed. Curtailing staff numbers will actually see those left working to capacity. And the fact that the council will be axing around 1500 jobs seems to suggest that they knew this was the case all along.

And as for services going to the private sector, this is again great news. We will finally see services that are managed and delivered in an effective and efficient manner which will also see value for money. We will also see greater competence and better decisions being made.
While the staff who will lose their jobs will feel demoralised, as a tax-payer I am glad that this long overdue change will now happen. For too long , the council has been overstaffed which not only meant high overheads and a large salary bill, but having too many staff meant people were doing very little because the workload simply wasn't there to support the large volume of staff employed. Curtailing staff numbers will actually see those left working to capacity. And the fact that the council will be axing around 1500 jobs seems to suggest that they knew this was the case all along. And as for services going to the private sector, this is again great news. We will finally see services that are managed and delivered in an effective and efficient manner which will also see value for money. We will also see greater competence and better decisions being made. Sulis76
  • Score: -37

1:54pm Fri 16 May 14

brooksider says...

Sulis76 wrote:
While the staff who will lose their jobs will feel demoralised, as a tax-payer I am glad that this long overdue change will now happen. For too long , the council has been overstaffed which not only meant high overheads and a large salary bill, but having too many staff meant people were doing very little because the workload simply wasn't there to support the large volume of staff employed. Curtailing staff numbers will actually see those left working to capacity. And the fact that the council will be axing around 1500 jobs seems to suggest that they knew this was the case all along.

And as for services going to the private sector, this is again great news. We will finally see services that are managed and delivered in an effective and efficient manner which will also see value for money. We will also see greater competence and better decisions being made.
Are you sure?

We taxpayers will only benefit if the level of services either remain the same or improve at a lower cost to the public purse.

I do not share your confidence when yesterday this bunch voted to approve a loan a limited company £120 million to to build a waste incinerator.
This company will then charge the taxpayer £125 per ton of waste, 50% more than the City of London pay to dispose of their waste.

The scheme was considered so bad value it wasn't awarded PFI credits by DEFRA.
[quote][p][bold]Sulis76[/bold] wrote: While the staff who will lose their jobs will feel demoralised, as a tax-payer I am glad that this long overdue change will now happen. For too long , the council has been overstaffed which not only meant high overheads and a large salary bill, but having too many staff meant people were doing very little because the workload simply wasn't there to support the large volume of staff employed. Curtailing staff numbers will actually see those left working to capacity. And the fact that the council will be axing around 1500 jobs seems to suggest that they knew this was the case all along. And as for services going to the private sector, this is again great news. We will finally see services that are managed and delivered in an effective and efficient manner which will also see value for money. We will also see greater competence and better decisions being made.[/p][/quote]Are you sure? We taxpayers will only benefit if the level of services either remain the same or improve at a lower cost to the public purse. I do not share your confidence when yesterday this bunch voted to approve a loan a limited company £120 million to to build a waste incinerator. This company will then charge the taxpayer £125 per ton of waste, 50% more than the City of London pay to dispose of their waste. The scheme was considered so bad value it wasn't awarded PFI credits by DEFRA. brooksider
  • Score: 41

2:36pm Fri 16 May 14

Daisy 2 says...

I'm afraid it is not about saving money, it is a Conservative policy to reduce the numbers employed in local authorities. It has been recognised that services will actually cost more money and our clients will get a reduced service.
It is a falicy that people feel optimistic about the changes. The staff morale at County Hall is at an all time low.
They have faced a 3 year pay frieze, mandatory 3 days unpaid leave a year and no sickness pay (first three days of any sickness) to save money whilst working longer hours to fill in for posts deleted and not replaced. The idea that they are not yet working to capacity is ridiculous.
I'm afraid it is not about saving money, it is a Conservative policy to reduce the numbers employed in local authorities. It has been recognised that services will actually cost more money and our clients will get a reduced service. It is a falicy that people feel optimistic about the changes. The staff morale at County Hall is at an all time low. They have faced a 3 year pay frieze, mandatory 3 days unpaid leave a year and no sickness pay (first three days of any sickness) to save money whilst working longer hours to fill in for posts deleted and not replaced. The idea that they are not yet working to capacity is ridiculous. Daisy 2
  • Score: 31

2:40pm Fri 16 May 14

Pomygranit says...

Sulis76 wrote:
While the staff who will lose their jobs will feel demoralised, as a tax-payer I am glad that this long overdue change will now happen. For too long , the council has been overstaffed which not only meant high overheads and a large salary bill, but having too many staff meant people were doing very little because the workload simply wasn't there to support the large volume of staff employed. Curtailing staff numbers will actually see those left working to capacity. And the fact that the council will be axing around 1500 jobs seems to suggest that they knew this was the case all along.

And as for services going to the private sector, this is again great news. We will finally see services that are managed and delivered in an effective and efficient manner which will also see value for money. We will also see greater competence and better decisions being made.
What a load of drivel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!

Not a huge fan of the public sector but if it means the likes of Crapita, Atos, Serco etc running the county god help us all.

In most cases they make councils look competent.
[quote][p][bold]Sulis76[/bold] wrote: While the staff who will lose their jobs will feel demoralised, as a tax-payer I am glad that this long overdue change will now happen. For too long , the council has been overstaffed which not only meant high overheads and a large salary bill, but having too many staff meant people were doing very little because the workload simply wasn't there to support the large volume of staff employed. Curtailing staff numbers will actually see those left working to capacity. And the fact that the council will be axing around 1500 jobs seems to suggest that they knew this was the case all along. And as for services going to the private sector, this is again great news. We will finally see services that are managed and delivered in an effective and efficient manner which will also see value for money. We will also see greater competence and better decisions being made.[/p][/quote]What a load of drivel!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! Not a huge fan of the public sector but if it means the likes of Crapita, Atos, Serco etc running the county god help us all. In most cases they make councils look competent. Pomygranit
  • Score: 34

2:40pm Fri 16 May 14

Pomygranit says...

Sulis76 wrote:
While the staff who will lose their jobs will feel demoralised, as a tax-payer I am glad that this long overdue change will now happen. For too long , the council has been overstaffed which not only meant high overheads and a large salary bill, but having too many staff meant people were doing very little because the workload simply wasn't there to support the large volume of staff employed. Curtailing staff numbers will actually see those left working to capacity. And the fact that the council will be axing around 1500 jobs seems to suggest that they knew this was the case all along.

And as for services going to the private sector, this is again great news. We will finally see services that are managed and delivered in an effective and efficient manner which will also see value for money. We will also see greater competence and better decisions being made.
What a load of drivel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!

Not a huge fan of the public sector but if it means the likes of Crapita, Atos, Serco etc running the county god help us all.

In most cases they make councils look competent.
[quote][p][bold]Sulis76[/bold] wrote: While the staff who will lose their jobs will feel demoralised, as a tax-payer I am glad that this long overdue change will now happen. For too long , the council has been overstaffed which not only meant high overheads and a large salary bill, but having too many staff meant people were doing very little because the workload simply wasn't there to support the large volume of staff employed. Curtailing staff numbers will actually see those left working to capacity. And the fact that the council will be axing around 1500 jobs seems to suggest that they knew this was the case all along. And as for services going to the private sector, this is again great news. We will finally see services that are managed and delivered in an effective and efficient manner which will also see value for money. We will also see greater competence and better decisions being made.[/p][/quote]What a load of drivel!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! Not a huge fan of the public sector but if it means the likes of Crapita, Atos, Serco etc running the county god help us all. In most cases they make councils look competent. Pomygranit
  • Score: 12

3:03pm Fri 16 May 14

thesquirrel says...

If I'm honest I struggle to think what the county council does beyond cutting grass and collecting rubbish.

@Pomygranit, what are all these services you fear being run by the private sector?
If I'm honest I struggle to think what the county council does beyond cutting grass and collecting rubbish. @Pomygranit, what are all these services you fear being run by the private sector? thesquirrel
  • Score: -42

4:00pm Fri 16 May 14

Penny R. Cade says...

thesquirrel wrote:
If I'm honest I struggle to think what the county council does beyond cutting grass and collecting rubbish. @Pomygranit, what are all these services you fear being run by the private sector?
Let's see now – what does the County Council do all day? Adults Social Care. Children's Social care. Children's care homes. Adoption and fostering. Family support. School Admissions. School Transport. Free school meals. Free nursery places. Care homes. Care leavers. Bus passes. Blue badges. Park and ride. Rights of way. School transport. Libraries, Museums. Archives. Births, marriages and deaths. Children's Centres. Carers and young carers...

Nah – s*d all…
[quote][p][bold]thesquirrel[/bold] wrote: If I'm honest I struggle to think what the county council does beyond cutting grass and collecting rubbish. @Pomygranit, what are all these services you fear being run by the private sector?[/p][/quote]Let's see now – what does the County Council do all day? Adults Social Care. Children's Social care. Children's care homes. Adoption and fostering. Family support. School Admissions. School Transport. Free school meals. Free nursery places. Care homes. Care leavers. Bus passes. Blue badges. Park and ride. Rights of way. School transport. Libraries, Museums. Archives. Births, marriages and deaths. Children's Centres. Carers and young carers... Nah – s*d all… Penny R. Cade
  • Score: 37

4:20pm Fri 16 May 14

skychip says...

It is the City Council who cut grass and collect refuse.
It is the City Council who cut grass and collect refuse. skychip
  • Score: 21

5:00pm Fri 16 May 14

liketoknow says...

county hall would make a wonderful site for a football stadium
county hall would make a wonderful site for a football stadium liketoknow
  • Score: 5

5:01pm Fri 16 May 14

IanMurray says...

Why does the word ' privatisation ' still make people think ' cheaper '. It rarely is as the private sector pays profits that the public never does. In addition, the action of ' change ' itself costs a great deal of money. So overall this decision can only reduce the amount of money available in the future to pay for services. An overall Loose v Loose situation.
Why does the word ' privatisation ' still make people think ' cheaper '. It rarely is as the private sector pays profits that the public never does. In addition, the action of ' change ' itself costs a great deal of money. So overall this decision can only reduce the amount of money available in the future to pay for services. An overall Loose v Loose situation. IanMurray
  • Score: 37

7:26pm Fri 16 May 14

pinkfluff says...

Penny R. Cade wrote:
thesquirrel wrote:
If I'm honest I struggle to think what the county council does beyond cutting grass and collecting rubbish. @Pomygranit, what are all these services you fear being run by the private sector?
Let's see now – what does the County Council do all day? Adults Social Care. Children's Social care. Children's care homes. Adoption and fostering. Family support. School Admissions. School Transport. Free school meals. Free nursery places. Care homes. Care leavers. Bus passes. Blue badges. Park and ride. Rights of way. School transport. Libraries, Museums. Archives. Births, marriages and deaths. Children's Centres. Carers and young carers...

Nah – s*d all…
Too true and all of those services should be run to be sustainable and not for profit. Care and profit do not belong in the same sentence IMHO.
[quote][p][bold]Penny R. Cade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesquirrel[/bold] wrote: If I'm honest I struggle to think what the county council does beyond cutting grass and collecting rubbish. @Pomygranit, what are all these services you fear being run by the private sector?[/p][/quote]Let's see now – what does the County Council do all day? Adults Social Care. Children's Social care. Children's care homes. Adoption and fostering. Family support. School Admissions. School Transport. Free school meals. Free nursery places. Care homes. Care leavers. Bus passes. Blue badges. Park and ride. Rights of way. School transport. Libraries, Museums. Archives. Births, marriages and deaths. Children's Centres. Carers and young carers... Nah – s*d all…[/p][/quote]Too true and all of those services should be run to be sustainable and not for profit. Care and profit do not belong in the same sentence IMHO. pinkfluff
  • Score: 23

8:04pm Fri 16 May 14

Moltaire says...

This is well overdue but is extremely welcome news.

Ok, government cuts have meant that councils are having to make savings and that does mean that some staff will lose their jobs. But the flip side is that these decisions will see a sea-change in the way council workers go about their work in that they will now have to raise their game and work much harder to deliver the same levels of service when more people were employed and this is not a bad thing and will, at last, see a work ethic akin to the private sector. I regularly have meetings at county hall and often see staff currently doing very little work, being more interested in engaging in general chit chat, reading magazines and surfing the internet. Spending cuts will mean some services will be lost or reduced, but what is left will see greater productivity.

But going one step further, the private sector taking over services will see great benefits, even better services, better productivity, more efficient and effective working practices, less waste and greater value for money and far better levels of competence and intelligence. Of course, there have been high profile examples where a private company has made errors and perhaps provided a worse service, but those numbers are minute compared to the poor services and constant errors that emanate from the council. We only have to look at the highways department for example, and with this example I'd support previous calls over the past few months for Worcester Bosch to take over this department.

With Clare Marchant taking the top job soon, and with her private sector background, let us hope that she will make the decision to move council operations to the next level due these cuts and job losses and start outsourcing services to the private sector and charities. We will all see a marked improvement.
This is well overdue but is extremely welcome news. Ok, government cuts have meant that councils are having to make savings and that does mean that some staff will lose their jobs. But the flip side is that these decisions will see a sea-change in the way council workers go about their work in that they will now have to raise their game and work much harder to deliver the same levels of service when more people were employed and this is not a bad thing and will, at last, see a work ethic akin to the private sector. I regularly have meetings at county hall and often see staff currently doing very little work, being more interested in engaging in general chit chat, reading magazines and surfing the internet. Spending cuts will mean some services will be lost or reduced, but what is left will see greater productivity. But going one step further, the private sector taking over services will see great benefits, even better services, better productivity, more efficient and effective working practices, less waste and greater value for money and far better levels of competence and intelligence. Of course, there have been high profile examples where a private company has made errors and perhaps provided a worse service, but those numbers are minute compared to the poor services and constant errors that emanate from the council. We only have to look at the highways department for example, and with this example I'd support previous calls over the past few months for Worcester Bosch to take over this department. With Clare Marchant taking the top job soon, and with her private sector background, let us hope that she will make the decision to move council operations to the next level due these cuts and job losses and start outsourcing services to the private sector and charities. We will all see a marked improvement. Moltaire
  • Score: -31

9:31pm Fri 16 May 14

Harry2nd says...

Moltaire wrote:
This is well overdue but is extremely welcome news.

Ok, government cuts have meant that councils are having to make savings and that does mean that some staff will lose their jobs. But the flip side is that these decisions will see a sea-change in the way council workers go about their work in that they will now have to raise their game and work much harder to deliver the same levels of service when more people were employed and this is not a bad thing and will, at last, see a work ethic akin to the private sector. I regularly have meetings at county hall and often see staff currently doing very little work, being more interested in engaging in general chit chat, reading magazines and surfing the internet. Spending cuts will mean some services will be lost or reduced, but what is left will see greater productivity.

But going one step further, the private sector taking over services will see great benefits, even better services, better productivity, more efficient and effective working practices, less waste and greater value for money and far better levels of competence and intelligence. Of course, there have been high profile examples where a private company has made errors and perhaps provided a worse service, but those numbers are minute compared to the poor services and constant errors that emanate from the council. We only have to look at the highways department for example, and with this example I'd support previous calls over the past few months for Worcester Bosch to take over this department.

With Clare Marchant taking the top job soon, and with her private sector background, let us hope that she will make the decision to move council operations to the next level due these cuts and job losses and start outsourcing services to the private sector and charities. We will all see a marked improvement.
What a load of rubbish. Coming to a meeting at County Hall does not give you a right to assume that because a few staff are talking or on the internet that everyone else is doing the same. You obviously have a problem with the county council in general probably related to why you are meeting council staff.
Have you ever thought that the workers you see talking could have just come back from a child protection visit or even an adult protection investigation. I couldn't do their job and I doubt you could.
There is some dead wood everyone knows that but there are also dedicated
hard working people employed by the authority who have very difficult jobs and have to deal with situations most of us don't want to think about. Be very careful what you wish for as privatisation of all services will not make things better.
[quote][p][bold]Moltaire[/bold] wrote: This is well overdue but is extremely welcome news. Ok, government cuts have meant that councils are having to make savings and that does mean that some staff will lose their jobs. But the flip side is that these decisions will see a sea-change in the way council workers go about their work in that they will now have to raise their game and work much harder to deliver the same levels of service when more people were employed and this is not a bad thing and will, at last, see a work ethic akin to the private sector. I regularly have meetings at county hall and often see staff currently doing very little work, being more interested in engaging in general chit chat, reading magazines and surfing the internet. Spending cuts will mean some services will be lost or reduced, but what is left will see greater productivity. But going one step further, the private sector taking over services will see great benefits, even better services, better productivity, more efficient and effective working practices, less waste and greater value for money and far better levels of competence and intelligence. Of course, there have been high profile examples where a private company has made errors and perhaps provided a worse service, but those numbers are minute compared to the poor services and constant errors that emanate from the council. We only have to look at the highways department for example, and with this example I'd support previous calls over the past few months for Worcester Bosch to take over this department. With Clare Marchant taking the top job soon, and with her private sector background, let us hope that she will make the decision to move council operations to the next level due these cuts and job losses and start outsourcing services to the private sector and charities. We will all see a marked improvement.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. Coming to a meeting at County Hall does not give you a right to assume that because a few staff are talking or on the internet that everyone else is doing the same. You obviously have a problem with the county council in general probably related to why you are meeting council staff. Have you ever thought that the workers you see talking could have just come back from a child protection visit or even an adult protection investigation. I couldn't do their job and I doubt you could. There is some dead wood everyone knows that but there are also dedicated hard working people employed by the authority who have very difficult jobs and have to deal with situations most of us don't want to think about. Be very careful what you wish for as privatisation of all services will not make things better. Harry2nd
  • Score: 28

11:38pm Fri 16 May 14

I'm_not_bitter says...

Moltaire wrote:
This is well overdue but is extremely welcome news.

Ok, government cuts have meant that councils are having to make savings and that does mean that some staff will lose their jobs. But the flip side is that these decisions will see a sea-change in the way council workers go about their work in that they will now have to raise their game and work much harder to deliver the same levels of service when more people were employed and this is not a bad thing and will, at last, see a work ethic akin to the private sector. I regularly have meetings at county hall and often see staff currently doing very little work, being more interested in engaging in general chit chat, reading magazines and surfing the internet. Spending cuts will mean some services will be lost or reduced, but what is left will see greater productivity.

But going one step further, the private sector taking over services will see great benefits, even better services, better productivity, more efficient and effective working practices, less waste and greater value for money and far better levels of competence and intelligence. Of course, there have been high profile examples where a private company has made errors and perhaps provided a worse service, but those numbers are minute compared to the poor services and constant errors that emanate from the council. We only have to look at the highways department for example, and with this example I'd support previous calls over the past few months for Worcester Bosch to take over this department.

With Clare Marchant taking the top job soon, and with her private sector background, let us hope that she will make the decision to move council operations to the next level due these cuts and job losses and start outsourcing services to the private sector and charities. We will all see a marked improvement.
Utter drivel.

Which Tory councillor are you?
[quote][p][bold]Moltaire[/bold] wrote: This is well overdue but is extremely welcome news. Ok, government cuts have meant that councils are having to make savings and that does mean that some staff will lose their jobs. But the flip side is that these decisions will see a sea-change in the way council workers go about their work in that they will now have to raise their game and work much harder to deliver the same levels of service when more people were employed and this is not a bad thing and will, at last, see a work ethic akin to the private sector. I regularly have meetings at county hall and often see staff currently doing very little work, being more interested in engaging in general chit chat, reading magazines and surfing the internet. Spending cuts will mean some services will be lost or reduced, but what is left will see greater productivity. But going one step further, the private sector taking over services will see great benefits, even better services, better productivity, more efficient and effective working practices, less waste and greater value for money and far better levels of competence and intelligence. Of course, there have been high profile examples where a private company has made errors and perhaps provided a worse service, but those numbers are minute compared to the poor services and constant errors that emanate from the council. We only have to look at the highways department for example, and with this example I'd support previous calls over the past few months for Worcester Bosch to take over this department. With Clare Marchant taking the top job soon, and with her private sector background, let us hope that she will make the decision to move council operations to the next level due these cuts and job losses and start outsourcing services to the private sector and charities. We will all see a marked improvement.[/p][/quote]Utter drivel. Which Tory councillor are you? I'm_not_bitter
  • Score: 14

12:05am Sat 17 May 14

Jabbadad says...

Well Moltaire doesn't belong to the real world, since we now have evidence of how the private sector undertake care.
I think that the obviously un-informed who comment about overstaffing on here look forward to when Older people are placed on a conveyor belt and have instructions of care stamped on their foreheads as they pass along on this journey in life.
Who but an IDIOT would be looking forwards with glee for their retiring days under a Tory administration. We are already seeing Finanicial Uthenasia from the tories by pricing care services out of reach of the less fortunate.
I see the well of TORY TOFFS having access to all the later life services and the less well off having easier access to an END OF LIFE PILL.
Well Moltaire doesn't belong to the real world, since we now have evidence of how the private sector undertake care. I think that the obviously un-informed who comment about overstaffing on here look forward to when Older people are placed on a conveyor belt and have instructions of care stamped on their foreheads as they pass along on this journey in life. Who but an IDIOT would be looking forwards with glee for their retiring days under a Tory administration. We are already seeing Finanicial Uthenasia from the tories by pricing care services out of reach of the less fortunate. I see the well of TORY TOFFS having access to all the later life services and the less well off having easier access to an END OF LIFE PILL. Jabbadad
  • Score: 13

9:30pm Sat 17 May 14

F1 Dave says...

People of Worcestershire remember all the names of each councillors.
If there are any failings then they are accountable.

Councillors of Worcestershire You are accountable for the actions you take!!
People of Worcestershire remember all the names of each councillors. If there are any failings then they are accountable. Councillors of Worcestershire You are accountable for the actions you take!! F1 Dave
  • Score: 3

9:50pm Sat 17 May 14

CJH says...

F1 Dave wrote:
People of Worcestershire remember all the names of each councillors.
If there are any failings then they are accountable.

Councillors of Worcestershire You are accountable for the actions you take!!
Please tell that to Clr Prodger.
[quote][p][bold]F1 Dave[/bold] wrote: People of Worcestershire remember all the names of each councillors. If there are any failings then they are accountable. Councillors of Worcestershire You are accountable for the actions you take!![/p][/quote]Please tell that to Clr Prodger. CJH
  • Score: 3

12:26am Sun 18 May 14

Jabbadad says...

i am more than dissapointed to read such rubbish from people like Moltaire who writes like a Tory Sounds like a Tory and probably is a Tory.
The only place where there is over staffing is among the Councillors. Just attend any meeting Moltaire and see those who sit there for two hours or more without uttering a word, or even show interest in the issues but are getting paid just the same. Then move into the sectors who are actually being snowed under with changes from Central Goverment in an attempt to fool the general public into thinking that WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER. Older peoples services are desperately under staffed. And don't forget this staff cuts have been going on some time now, the only reason the building appears fully occupied is that offices in other parts of the County are being closed and the staff transfered up to County Hall.The remaining members of staff are doing their own jobs plus more, and many are taking work home. So those who are totally wrong about council workers need to shut up, or name the services which have such little to do that satff members can chat & play games. SUCH RUBBISH.
i am more than dissapointed to read such rubbish from people like Moltaire who writes like a Tory Sounds like a Tory and probably is a Tory. The only place where there is over staffing is among the Councillors. Just attend any meeting Moltaire and see those who sit there for two hours or more without uttering a word, or even show interest in the issues but are getting paid just the same. Then move into the sectors who are actually being snowed under with changes from Central Goverment in an attempt to fool the general public into thinking that WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER. Older peoples services are desperately under staffed. And don't forget this staff cuts have been going on some time now, the only reason the building appears fully occupied is that offices in other parts of the County are being closed and the staff transfered up to County Hall.The remaining members of staff are doing their own jobs plus more, and many are taking work home. So those who are totally wrong about council workers need to shut up, or name the services which have such little to do that satff members can chat & play games. SUCH RUBBISH. Jabbadad
  • Score: 5

8:41am Sun 18 May 14

MikeA says...

Jabbadad wrote:
i am more than dissapointed to read such rubbish from people like Moltaire who writes like a Tory Sounds like a Tory and probably is a Tory.
The only place where there is over staffing is among the Councillors. Just attend any meeting Moltaire and see those who sit there for two hours or more without uttering a word, or even show interest in the issues but are getting paid just the same. Then move into the sectors who are actually being snowed under with changes from Central Goverment in an attempt to fool the general public into thinking that WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER. Older peoples services are desperately under staffed. And don't forget this staff cuts have been going on some time now, the only reason the building appears fully occupied is that offices in other parts of the County are being closed and the staff transfered up to County Hall.The remaining members of staff are doing their own jobs plus more, and many are taking work home. So those who are totally wrong about council workers need to shut up, or name the services which have such little to do that satff members can chat & play games. SUCH RUBBISH.
Jabbadad,

Part of the PR issue is that most of us only witness small fragments and what we see is often very bad.

For example, I recently helped draft a complaint regarding the Ketch roundabout redevelopment.

What is clear from the documentation is that the County Council has acted in a wholly false and deceitful manner towards residents from early 2011.

Note carefully that I have separated conduct and requirement.

Notwithstanding that this example has no personal impact on myself, given a choice I would cancel my contract with the County Council and do no further business with them.

Because it is prudent not to associate with those that engage in false and deceitful conduct.

I have no doubt that many others have similar experiences across the entire range of services from the County Council.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: i am more than dissapointed to read such rubbish from people like Moltaire who writes like a Tory Sounds like a Tory and probably is a Tory. The only place where there is over staffing is among the Councillors. Just attend any meeting Moltaire and see those who sit there for two hours or more without uttering a word, or even show interest in the issues but are getting paid just the same. Then move into the sectors who are actually being snowed under with changes from Central Goverment in an attempt to fool the general public into thinking that WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER. Older peoples services are desperately under staffed. And don't forget this staff cuts have been going on some time now, the only reason the building appears fully occupied is that offices in other parts of the County are being closed and the staff transfered up to County Hall.The remaining members of staff are doing their own jobs plus more, and many are taking work home. So those who are totally wrong about council workers need to shut up, or name the services which have such little to do that satff members can chat & play games. SUCH RUBBISH.[/p][/quote]Jabbadad, Part of the PR issue is that most of us only witness small fragments and what we see is often very bad. For example, I recently helped draft a complaint regarding the Ketch roundabout redevelopment. What is clear from the documentation is that the County Council has acted in a wholly false and deceitful manner towards residents from early 2011. Note carefully that I have separated conduct and requirement. Notwithstanding that this example has no personal impact on myself, given a choice I would cancel my contract with the County Council and do no further business with them. Because it is prudent not to associate with those that engage in false and deceitful conduct. I have no doubt that many others have similar experiences across the entire range of services from the County Council. MikeA
  • Score: 0

10:32am Sun 18 May 14

Jabbadad says...

False and deceiptful conduct ref the ketch roundabout, and who are the Councillors involved? CONservative mafiosa?
False and deceiptful conduct ref the ketch roundabout, and who are the Councillors involved? CONservative mafiosa? Jabbadad
  • Score: 2

2:23pm Sun 18 May 14

MikeA says...

Jabbadad wrote:
False and deceiptful conduct ref the ketch roundabout, and who are the Councillors involved? CONservative mafiosa?
Jabbadad,

On the 4th September 2011, Councillor Marc Bayliss sent a letter to Peter Blake offering his “full support” for the “Major Scheme Bid” that included an Outline Design encroaching on houses and open space at St. Peter’s.

Councillor Marc Bayliss currently represents St. Peter’s on the County Council.

Like turkeys voting for Christmas?
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: False and deceiptful conduct ref the ketch roundabout, and who are the Councillors involved? CONservative mafiosa?[/p][/quote]Jabbadad, On the 4th September 2011, Councillor Marc Bayliss sent a letter to Peter Blake offering his “full support” for the “Major Scheme Bid” that included an Outline Design encroaching on houses and open space at St. Peter’s. Councillor Marc Bayliss currently represents St. Peter’s on the County Council. Like turkeys voting for Christmas? MikeA
  • Score: 4

2:37pm Sun 18 May 14

Jabbadad says...

Looking at the last Cabinet meeting on Web Cam it seems as if some councillors by the loss of hair have been started to be plucked ready for christmas. Time to GET A ROONEY.?
Looking at the last Cabinet meeting on Web Cam it seems as if some councillors by the loss of hair have been started to be plucked ready for christmas. Time to GET A ROONEY.? Jabbadad
  • Score: 0

1:24pm Mon 19 May 14

green49 says...

Why is Hardman harping back to over 30 years ago, IT WAS TORIES doing it then?

Penny R Cade says, what does the County Council do all day? Adults Social Care. Children's Social care. Children's care homes. Adoption and fostering. Family support. School Admissions. School Transport. Free school meals. Free nursery places. Care homes. Care leavers. Bus passes. Blue badges. Park and ride. Rights of way. School transport. Libraries, Museums. Archives. Births, marriages and deaths. Children's Centres. Carers and young carers , I SAY etc etc etc etc etc
There are so many idiots making comments on here that have a stupid preconception of what council staff do, as i said before if they think the job is easy, overpaid, with loads of perks then why havent they got a job there, its all B******* and as far as Hardman goes he should be sacked, he gives out false information and does not IMO work for the benefit of the taxpayer, i work in amongst it all, i am not employed by the Council but the lies and more lies spouted by Tory toe the line timewasters is dispespicable, AS Jabbadad says, What is clear from the documentation is that the County Council has acted in a wholly false and deceitful manner towards residents from early 2011.

F1 Dave wrote:
People of Worcestershire remember all the names of each councillors.
If there are any failings then they are accountable.

Councillors of Worcestershire You are accountable for the actions you take!!
Please tell that to Clr Prodger.

Moltaire I would like you to show how the Private sector is going to be cheaper? better? etc etc when some of them already have lost contracts because they are ******* useless and not up to the work.
Why is Hardman harping back to over 30 years ago, IT WAS TORIES doing it then? Penny R Cade says, what does the County Council do all day? Adults Social Care. Children's Social care. Children's care homes. Adoption and fostering. Family support. School Admissions. School Transport. Free school meals. Free nursery places. Care homes. Care leavers. Bus passes. Blue badges. Park and ride. Rights of way. School transport. Libraries, Museums. Archives. Births, marriages and deaths. Children's Centres. Carers and young carers , I SAY etc etc etc etc etc There are so many idiots making comments on here that have a stupid preconception of what council staff do, as i said before if they think the job is easy, overpaid, with loads of perks then why havent they got a job there, its all B******* and as far as Hardman goes he should be sacked, he gives out false information and does not IMO work for the benefit of the taxpayer, i work in amongst it all, i am not employed by the Council but the lies and more lies spouted by Tory toe the line timewasters is dispespicable, AS Jabbadad says, What is clear from the documentation is that the County Council has acted in a wholly false and deceitful manner towards residents from early 2011. F1 Dave wrote: People of Worcestershire remember all the names of each councillors. If there are any failings then they are accountable. Councillors of Worcestershire You are accountable for the actions you take!! Please tell that to Clr Prodger. Moltaire I would like you to show how the Private sector is going to be cheaper? better? etc etc when some of them already have lost contracts because they are ******* useless and not up to the work. green49
  • Score: 9

6:52pm Mon 19 May 14

Keith B says...

Moltaire wrote:
This is well overdue but is extremely welcome news.

Ok, government cuts have meant that councils are having to make savings and that does mean that some staff will lose their jobs. But the flip side is that these decisions will see a sea-change in the way council workers go about their work in that they will now have to raise their game and work much harder to deliver the same levels of service when more people were employed and this is not a bad thing and will, at last, see a work ethic akin to the private sector. I regularly have meetings at county hall and often see staff currently doing very little work, being more interested in engaging in general chit chat, reading magazines and surfing the internet. Spending cuts will mean some services will be lost or reduced, but what is left will see greater productivity.

But going one step further, the private sector taking over services will see great benefits, even better services, better productivity, more efficient and effective working practices, less waste and greater value for money and far better levels of competence and intelligence. Of course, there have been high profile examples where a private company has made errors and perhaps provided a worse service, but those numbers are minute compared to the poor services and constant errors that emanate from the council. We only have to look at the highways department for example, and with this example I'd support previous calls over the past few months for Worcester Bosch to take over this department.

With Clare Marchant taking the top job soon, and with her private sector background, let us hope that she will make the decision to move council operations to the next level due these cuts and job losses and start outsourcing services to the private sector and charities. We will all see a marked improvement.
Moltaire said "staff need to work much harder".

You are very ignorant - my wife was in at 7am and isn't home yet (7pm) because she is still working. This is a normal day. She has so much time "in lieu" she is never ever going to be able to take a fraction of it. No overtime payment .... just more and more grinding work piling up and then she has to take on the work of the more senior officers that have been got rid of. She is not a senior officer, is paid a little less less than the national average wage and can't even use the car park on one day a week because the so called green policy means that the Council seem to think that their staff should use public transport .... even when there is no public transport in many parts of this huge County, from which the Council staff are drawn.

This Country once valued it's public servants .... but people like you have undermined them for years and you will reap what you sow when there is grass growing down the middle of our main roads, Moltaire said "staff need to work much harder".

You are very ignorant - my wife was in at 7am and isn't home yet (7pm) because she is still working. This is a normal day. She has so much time "in lieu" she is never ever going to be able to take a fraction of it. No overtime payment .... just more and more grinding work piling up and then she has to take on the work of the more senior officers that have been got rid of. She is not a senior officer, is paid a little less less than the national average wage and can't even use the car park on one day a week because the so called green policy means that the Council seem to think that their staff should use public transport .... even when there is no public transport in many parts of this huge County, from which the Council staff are drawn.

This Country once valued it's public servants .... but people like you have undermined them for years and you will reap what you sow when there is grass growing down the middle of our main roads, no adoptions or gay marriages (all done by Council staff) - indeed nobody must die because there will be nowhere to register deaths. Disabled and old people dying and vulnerable children neglected because there is nobody left to pay the bills sent out by the privatised companies, and most terrible of all Councillors Hardman and the rest not getting their expenses and pay because he has axed the administrators who make the payments .... but of course that post will not be cut.

800 million people in India have just elected a Parliament that contains just 790 MP's. Maybe we should look at a much smaller Council to control the very small staff that will be left. Maybe a dozen Councillors elected by a proportional system so that they HAVE to work together rather than just relying on Party dogma.

As for the hard working staff at County Hall, start working the hours you are being paid for and just watch the County grind to a halt.disabled and old people dying and vulnerable children neglected because there is nobody left to pay the bills sent out by the privatised companies, and most terrible of all Councillors Hardman and the rest not getting their expenses and pay because he has axed the administrators who make the payments .... but of course that post will not be cut.

800 million people in India have just elected a Parliament that contains just 790 MP's. Maybe we should look at a much smaller Council to control the very small staff that will be left. Maybe a dozen Councillors elected by a proportional system so that they HAVE to work together rather than just relying on Party dogma.

As for the hard working staff at County Hall, start working the hours you are being paid for and just watch the County grind to a halt.
[quote][p][bold]Moltaire[/bold] wrote: This is well overdue but is extremely welcome news. Ok, government cuts have meant that councils are having to make savings and that does mean that some staff will lose their jobs. But the flip side is that these decisions will see a sea-change in the way council workers go about their work in that they will now have to raise their game and work much harder to deliver the same levels of service when more people were employed and this is not a bad thing and will, at last, see a work ethic akin to the private sector. I regularly have meetings at county hall and often see staff currently doing very little work, being more interested in engaging in general chit chat, reading magazines and surfing the internet. Spending cuts will mean some services will be lost or reduced, but what is left will see greater productivity. But going one step further, the private sector taking over services will see great benefits, even better services, better productivity, more efficient and effective working practices, less waste and greater value for money and far better levels of competence and intelligence. Of course, there have been high profile examples where a private company has made errors and perhaps provided a worse service, but those numbers are minute compared to the poor services and constant errors that emanate from the council. We only have to look at the highways department for example, and with this example I'd support previous calls over the past few months for Worcester Bosch to take over this department. With Clare Marchant taking the top job soon, and with her private sector background, let us hope that she will make the decision to move council operations to the next level due these cuts and job losses and start outsourcing services to the private sector and charities. We will all see a marked improvement.[/p][/quote]Moltaire said "staff need to work much harder". You are very ignorant - my wife was in at 7am and isn't home yet (7pm) because she is still working. This is a normal day. She has so much time "in lieu" she is never ever going to be able to take a fraction of it. No overtime payment .... just more and more grinding work piling up and then she has to take on the work of the more senior officers that have been got rid of. She is not a senior officer, is paid a little less less than the national average wage and can't even use the car park on one day a week because the so called green policy means that the Council seem to think that their staff should use public transport .... even when there is no public transport in many parts of this huge County, from which the Council staff are drawn. This Country once valued it's public servants .... but people like you have undermined them for years and you will reap what you sow when there is grass growing down the middle of our main roads, Moltaire said "staff need to work much harder". You are very ignorant - my wife was in at 7am and isn't home yet (7pm) because she is still working. This is a normal day. She has so much time "in lieu" she is never ever going to be able to take a fraction of it. No overtime payment .... just more and more grinding work piling up and then she has to take on the work of the more senior officers that have been got rid of. She is not a senior officer, is paid a little less less than the national average wage and can't even use the car park on one day a week because the so called green policy means that the Council seem to think that their staff should use public transport .... even when there is no public transport in many parts of this huge County, from which the Council staff are drawn. This Country once valued it's public servants .... but people like you have undermined them for years and you will reap what you sow when there is grass growing down the middle of our main roads, no adoptions or gay marriages (all done by Council staff) - indeed nobody must die because there will be nowhere to register deaths. Disabled and old people dying and vulnerable children neglected because there is nobody left to pay the bills sent out by the privatised companies, and most terrible of all Councillors Hardman and the rest not getting their expenses and pay because he has axed the administrators who make the payments .... but of course that post will not be cut. 800 million people in India have just elected a Parliament that contains just 790 MP's. Maybe we should look at a much smaller Council to control the very small staff that will be left. Maybe a dozen Councillors elected by a proportional system so that they HAVE to work together rather than just relying on Party dogma. As for the hard working staff at County Hall, start working the hours you are being paid for and just watch the County grind to a halt.disabled and old people dying and vulnerable children neglected because there is nobody left to pay the bills sent out by the privatised companies, and most terrible of all Councillors Hardman and the rest not getting their expenses and pay because he has axed the administrators who make the payments .... but of course that post will not be cut. 800 million people in India have just elected a Parliament that contains just 790 MP's. Maybe we should look at a much smaller Council to control the very small staff that will be left. Maybe a dozen Councillors elected by a proportional system so that they HAVE to work together rather than just relying on Party dogma. As for the hard working staff at County Hall, start working the hours you are being paid for and just watch the County grind to a halt. Keith B
  • Score: 10

10:13pm Mon 19 May 14

Keith B says...

Sorry for the messy ending - something seems to have duplicated itself.
Sorry for the messy ending - something seems to have duplicated itself. Keith B
  • Score: 0

8:55am Wed 21 May 14

green49 says...

Keith B, As for the hard working staff at County Hall, start working the hours you are being paid for and just watch the County grind to a halt.
YES i agree if they only did what they were paid for then it would be worse, the staff i deal with are excellent, consiensious,and experienced in what they do,
Cutting back a workforce of thousands and trying to place that work in unqualified Private hands is just mad, cutting the staff down to bare levels but still having the work load because of the legal obligations the WCC has is just mad, wait and see in 12 months time what happens, be careful what you wish for, it will only get worse.
Keith B, As for the hard working staff at County Hall, start working the hours you are being paid for and just watch the County grind to a halt. YES i agree if they only did what they were paid for then it would be worse, the staff i deal with are excellent, consiensious,and experienced in what they do, Cutting back a workforce of thousands and trying to place that work in unqualified Private hands is just mad, cutting the staff down to bare levels but still having the work load because of the legal obligations the WCC has is just mad, wait and see in 12 months time what happens, be careful what you wish for, it will only get worse. green49
  • Score: 5

9:34am Wed 21 May 14

Jabbadad says...

I fully agree with you two guys, some of the postings on here just tell me that they have never come face to face with the staff at County Hall. Since I repeat they are excellent and in the main when / if there are hiccups it is more than likely that Inefficient councillors are involved, who appear to think, act, in a Party Political manner not in tune with common sense and not in step with the staff.
I have attended several meetings when the proffesionally trained staff have raised their eyebrows at some of the statements from councillors.
I fully agree with you two guys, some of the postings on here just tell me that they have never come face to face with the staff at County Hall. Since I repeat they are excellent and in the main when / if there are hiccups it is more than likely that Inefficient councillors are involved, who appear to think, act, in a Party Political manner not in tune with common sense and not in step with the staff. I have attended several meetings when the proffesionally trained staff have raised their eyebrows at some of the statements from councillors. Jabbadad
  • Score: 5

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