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8:34am Mon 17 Feb 14

truth must out says...

Too little too late....until the floods got close to London the government were doing nothing!!
Too little too late....until the floods got close to London the government were doing nothing!! truth must out
  • Score: 18

8:45am Mon 17 Feb 14

green49 says...

truth must out, absolutely, why is he coming here? wasting everyones time, PR stunt thats all it is, it will remain to be seen how the people who have been effected by the floods what they actually will get to help them?

will it be a loan? a grant? who knows as from my experience with TORIES its promises today NOTHING tomorrow.
truth must out, absolutely, why is he coming here? wasting everyones time, PR stunt thats all it is, it will remain to be seen how the people who have been effected by the floods what they actually will get to help them? will it be a loan? a grant? who knows as from my experience with TORIES its promises today NOTHING tomorrow. green49
  • Score: 3

9:02am Mon 17 Feb 14

Ted Elgar says...

"Too little, too late" ? Hardly. The floods have been just as bad as this in recent memory and the various flood alleviation works seem to have made the situation better, not worse. (See the improvements made at Gheluvelt park where the old water works once were).
The poor old Environment Agency has been given a good kicking over the floods with a great deal of ill-informed discussion of dredging in Somerset. Somerset hasn't seen that level of rainfall for over 200 hundred years, so it is hardly surprising nobody can remember it having been so bad. Meanwhile, TV reports have focused on canvassing angry farmers for opinion, not expert hyrdrologists, which means sensible informed debate has been buried, at least publicly.
The Conservatives (and UKIP) are happy to jump on the European Habitat Regulations as being the root cause of this (by preventing dredging of sensitive rivers), but the fact remains it wouldn't have made much, if any, difference. People will argue this point endlessly, but hydrology should be left to the experts. (I would imagine that the Environment Agency will be rubbing their collective hands together at this time of funding cuts as they argue their case for a bigger slice of the pie).
In the case of Worcester, we haven't seen a doomsday scenario, just a lot of water on the flood plain. That doesnt mean it isn't depressing to be flooded, but people living in Diglis (and Kempsey/Severn Stoke/Upton) can't really be surprised that their homes were at risk. The EA provide handy maps ("what's in your backyard") which could have helped those new to the area work out where floods and where doesn't.
"Too little, too late" ? Hardly. The floods have been just as bad as this in recent memory and the various flood alleviation works seem to have made the situation better, not worse. (See the improvements made at Gheluvelt park where the old water works once were). The poor old Environment Agency has been given a good kicking over the floods with a great deal of ill-informed discussion of dredging in Somerset. Somerset hasn't seen that level of rainfall for over 200 hundred years, so it is hardly surprising nobody can remember it having been so bad. Meanwhile, TV reports have focused on canvassing angry farmers for opinion, not expert hyrdrologists, which means sensible informed debate has been buried, at least publicly. The Conservatives (and UKIP) are happy to jump on the European Habitat Regulations as being the root cause of this (by preventing dredging of sensitive rivers), but the fact remains it wouldn't have made much, if any, difference. People will argue this point endlessly, but hydrology should be left to the experts. (I would imagine that the Environment Agency will be rubbing their collective hands together at this time of funding cuts as they argue their case for a bigger slice of the pie). In the case of Worcester, we haven't seen a doomsday scenario, just a lot of water on the flood plain. That doesnt mean it isn't depressing to be flooded, but people living in Diglis (and Kempsey/Severn Stoke/Upton) can't really be surprised that their homes were at risk. The EA provide handy maps ("what's in your backyard") which could have helped those new to the area work out where floods and where doesn't. Ted Elgar
  • Score: 30

9:09am Mon 17 Feb 14

Pomygranit says...

Locally I think the EA, councils, volunteers, army etc have managed the past week exceptionally well.

Nationally the best comment on the Governments late action was 'nothing happened until the effluent hit the affluent'

The fact that Cameron is going around shows how inept he thinks Pickles and Patterson are. (Inept is being polite ******* useless would be better)
Locally I think the EA, councils, volunteers, army etc have managed the past week exceptionally well. Nationally the best comment on the Governments late action was 'nothing happened until the effluent hit the affluent' The fact that Cameron is going around shows how inept he thinks Pickles and Patterson are. (Inept is being polite ******* useless would be better) Pomygranit
  • Score: 15

9:11am Mon 17 Feb 14

Ted Elgar says...

Patterson has a detached retina currently, so he is out of action.
Unless they are going to offer Pickles as some kind of temporary bund or flood defence, then I can't see him being much use.
Patterson has a detached retina currently, so he is out of action. Unless they are going to offer Pickles as some kind of temporary bund or flood defence, then I can't see him being much use. Ted Elgar
  • Score: 4

9:12am Mon 17 Feb 14

Ted Elgar says...

PaTerson.. he must get very annoyed with people spelling his surname wrongly.
PaTerson.. he must get very annoyed with people spelling his surname wrongly. Ted Elgar
  • Score: 0

9:26am Mon 17 Feb 14

Herefordian says...

Is he going to visit Herefordshire as well, hang on he wiil need to go back across the country and visit HERTFORDSHIRE as we all know Hereford does not exist
Is he going to visit Herefordshire as well, hang on he wiil need to go back across the country and visit HERTFORDSHIRE as we all know Hereford does not exist Herefordian
  • Score: 3

9:33am Mon 17 Feb 14

nevermindeh says...

Obviously "Dave" will do his usual patronistng of the "peasants" then he'll slither back to his cosy,safe environment and won't think too much about it (personally) till the next photo opportunity presents itself. He may be seen to go through the motions of showing interest but that all it is. His only true interest is how "Dave" looks in all this. The credit goes only to those who have put in the time and effort to do something about the situation.
Obviously "Dave" will do his usual patronistng of the "peasants" then he'll slither back to his cosy,safe environment and won't think too much about it (personally) till the next photo opportunity presents itself. He may be seen to go through the motions of showing interest but that all it is. His only true interest is how "Dave" looks in all this. The credit goes only to those who have put in the time and effort to do something about the situation. nevermindeh
  • Score: 3

9:41am Mon 17 Feb 14

High Time says...

green49 wrote:
truth must out, absolutely, why is he coming here? wasting everyones time, PR stunt thats all it is, it will remain to be seen how the people who have been effected by the floods what they actually will get to help them?

will it be a loan? a grant? who knows as from my experience with TORIES its promises today NOTHING tomorrow.
And if he did not come you would be moaning about that.
[quote][p][bold]green49[/bold] wrote: truth must out, absolutely, why is he coming here? wasting everyones time, PR stunt thats all it is, it will remain to be seen how the people who have been effected by the floods what they actually will get to help them? will it be a loan? a grant? who knows as from my experience with TORIES its promises today NOTHING tomorrow.[/p][/quote]And if he did not come you would be moaning about that. High Time
  • Score: 8

9:51am Mon 17 Feb 14

Pomygranit says...

Following the last big floods in 2007, the government commissioned Sir Michael Pitt to examine the flood response and long-term planning needed to minimise the risk of flood damage. The result was a cross-party consensus on a sustainable approach to managing flooding. One of its central recommendations was that flood spending should increase substantially, a commitment that Labour ministers honoured. The Conservatives also supported that consensus, before the election. In 2010, they ripped it up. Whoever won the last election would have faced difficult choices on public investment, but the approach of the present government has been reckless.
Within months of coming to office, the government savaged the department of the environment with a 30 per cent cut in funding. From 2010, investment in England and Wales’ flood defences fell in real terms for each of the next four years. The Environment Agency faced its own cuts to important environmental provision for river dredging and maintenance. The Environment Agency still has a further 1,500 staff to cut as part of the most recent spending settlement, including around 500 people working on flooding.
Following the last big floods in 2007, the government commissioned Sir Michael Pitt to examine the flood response and long-term planning needed to minimise the risk of flood damage. The result was a cross-party consensus on a sustainable approach to managing flooding. One of its central recommendations was that flood spending should increase substantially, a commitment that Labour ministers honoured. The Conservatives also supported that consensus, before the election. In 2010, they ripped it up. Whoever won the last election would have faced difficult choices on public investment, but the approach of the present government has been reckless. Within months of coming to office, the government savaged the department of the environment with a 30 per cent cut in funding. From 2010, investment in England and Wales’ flood defences fell in real terms for each of the next four years. The Environment Agency faced its own cuts to important environmental provision for river dredging and maintenance. The Environment Agency still has a further 1,500 staff to cut as part of the most recent spending settlement, including around 500 people working on flooding. Pomygranit
  • Score: 8

9:58am Mon 17 Feb 14

Arthur Blenkinsop says...

Ted Elgas has it right. There is little anyone can do. The people living on the banks of the Severn live on the flood plain of a river that regularly floods. Barring ministers being able to stop the rain, no one can do anything much to stop the flooding. It has always happened and always will happen. You don't hear those people moaning in the summer months when they live in some of the most beautiful places in the UK.
The Somerset Levels are below sea level and are also prone to flooding, again they always have been. And also don't forget that the last time we have significant flooding, we had a different administration in power - did they do any better a job? There is no blame to lay here IMO.
Ted Elgas has it right. There is little anyone can do. The people living on the banks of the Severn live on the flood plain of a river that regularly floods. Barring ministers being able to stop the rain, no one can do anything much to stop the flooding. It has always happened and always will happen. You don't hear those people moaning in the summer months when they live in some of the most beautiful places in the UK. The Somerset Levels are below sea level and are also prone to flooding, again they always have been. And also don't forget that the last time we have significant flooding, we had a different administration in power - did they do any better a job? There is no blame to lay here IMO. Arthur Blenkinsop
  • Score: 15

10:14am Mon 17 Feb 14

Ted Elgar says...

@Arthur - I wasn't really arguing that there isn't much anyone can do, rather that modern river management isn't all about dredging channels constantly.
The scheme at Gheluvelt park actually involved opening up the area of meadow in the park to recreate floodplain conditions, whereas previously the river had been funnelled at that point.
A lot of people are jumping on the idea of bunds (see above), but they just move the problem further downstream. I can fully sympathise with residents wanting to protect their homes in Severn Stoke, but what if changes end up flooding more homes in Upton (for example) ?
@Arthur - I wasn't really arguing that there isn't much anyone can do, rather that modern river management isn't all about dredging channels constantly. The scheme at Gheluvelt park actually involved opening up the area of meadow in the park to recreate floodplain conditions, whereas previously the river had been funnelled at that point. A lot of people are jumping on the idea of bunds (see above), but they just move the problem further downstream. I can fully sympathise with residents wanting to protect their homes in Severn Stoke, but what if changes end up flooding more homes in Upton (for example) ? Ted Elgar
  • Score: 10

10:37am Mon 17 Feb 14

Cludgehill says...

green49 wrote:
truth must out, absolutely, why is he coming here? wasting everyones time, PR stunt thats all it is, it will remain to be seen how the people who have been effected by the floods what they actually will get to help them?

will it be a loan? a grant? who knows as from my experience with TORIES its promises today NOTHING tomorrow.
Another predictable reactionary quote from the ever predictable Tory hating dinosuar that is green49.
[quote][p][bold]green49[/bold] wrote: truth must out, absolutely, why is he coming here? wasting everyones time, PR stunt thats all it is, it will remain to be seen how the people who have been effected by the floods what they actually will get to help them? will it be a loan? a grant? who knows as from my experience with TORIES its promises today NOTHING tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Another predictable reactionary quote from the ever predictable Tory hating dinosuar that is green49. Cludgehill
  • Score: -4

10:44am Mon 17 Feb 14

Jabbadad says...

Well the Tories have made such a gigantic Mess of this flood crisis, that we will see lot's of Cameron and his cronies trying to convince us that under their government all is well and please still vote for us.
As sure as HELL FREEZES OVER.
Perhaps The British Isles are just sinking, from the unchecked additional immigration?
What was just one of the actions by Teresa May when having sacked a large number of imigration officers and the Imigration Office was unable to handle the large numbers of Applications to the UK, she rented additional storage and the backlog of files were placed out of sight.
Just like when there were queues at Passport Control, they waved people through unchecked.
WELCOME TO UNCONTROLLED BRITAIN.
Look at the comments fom the Romanians already here, when they say from their new homes, Your Benefits system is crazy. It's liks finding a sackfull of cash left on the road.
Well the Tories have made such a gigantic Mess of this flood crisis, that we will see lot's of Cameron and his cronies trying to convince us that under their government all is well and please still vote for us. As sure as HELL FREEZES OVER. Perhaps The British Isles are just sinking, from the unchecked additional immigration? What was just one of the actions by Teresa May when having sacked a large number of imigration officers and the Imigration Office was unable to handle the large numbers of Applications to the UK, she rented additional storage and the backlog of files were placed out of sight. Just like when there were queues at Passport Control, they waved people through unchecked. WELCOME TO UNCONTROLLED BRITAIN. Look at the comments fom the Romanians already here, when they say from their new homes, Your Benefits system is crazy. It's liks finding a sackfull of cash left on the road. Jabbadad
  • Score: -19

10:48am Mon 17 Feb 14

UptonVoice says...

Perhaps they should take David Cameron over to East Waterside, Upton upon Seven. To show him how not everyone in Upton is protected!
Perhaps they should take David Cameron over to East Waterside, Upton upon Seven. To show him how not everyone in Upton is protected! UptonVoice
  • Score: 9

12:03pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Ted Elgar says...

I wondered how long it would take someone to bring the flood defence debate round to immigration.. it honestly pains me that comments like that don't get deleted.
Freedom of speach is one thing, puking this kind of bile all over any public forum is just childish. The comment above should be deleted just on the grounds of being wildly off-topic.. the fact it is xenophobic and racist doesn't seem to worry the moderators on the Worcester News.
Comments like this are the Online equivalent of smearing poo on the walls of your nursery.
I wondered how long it would take someone to bring the flood defence debate round to immigration.. it honestly pains me that comments like that don't get deleted. Freedom of speach is one thing, puking this kind of bile all over any public forum is just childish. The comment above should be deleted just on the grounds of being wildly off-topic.. the fact it is xenophobic and racist doesn't seem to worry the moderators on the Worcester News. Comments like this are the Online equivalent of smearing poo on the walls of your nursery. Ted Elgar
  • Score: 19

12:04pm Mon 17 Feb 14

19joshua87 says...

**** happens, we move on. It's difficult for me to have sympathy for those who live on a flood plain and suffer from floods. What did you think would happen?
**** happens, we move on. It's difficult for me to have sympathy for those who live on a flood plain and suffer from floods. What did you think would happen? 19joshua87
  • Score: 7

12:05pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Ted Elgar says...

Speech.. It also pains me that you can't edit your own posts for typos.
Maybe given a few moments to realise their awfulness people could delete some of the stuff they post entirely?
Speech.. It also pains me that you can't edit your own posts for typos. Maybe given a few moments to realise their awfulness people could delete some of the stuff they post entirely? Ted Elgar
  • Score: 12

12:14pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Jabbadad says...

Ted perhaps you should suggest that the same words which were written in your Newspaper The Mail, should also be deleted, Or GOD HELP US perhaps we should allow you to be the editor complete.
And of course we poor kids didn't have nursery walls or the posh kids obvious inovation to smeer the walls.
Ted perhaps you should suggest that the same words which were written in your Newspaper The Mail, should also be deleted, Or GOD HELP US perhaps we should allow you to be the editor complete. And of course we poor kids didn't have nursery walls or the posh kids obvious inovation to smeer the walls. Jabbadad
  • Score: -15

12:37pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Ted Elgar says...

@Jabbadad.
You are a moron.
@Jabbadad. You are a moron. Ted Elgar
  • Score: 15

1:05pm Mon 17 Feb 14

rtownshend says...

On hearing that Cameron and friends were meeting in the Anchor at Upton my partner suggested it should be renamed The Blue Anchor. I thought that was a bit silly, its the policies not the person.
On hearing that Cameron and friends were meeting in the Anchor at Upton my partner suggested it should be renamed The Blue Anchor. I thought that was a bit silly, its the policies not the person. rtownshend
  • Score: -5

1:55pm Mon 17 Feb 14

citykid says...

Did David Cameron stop off at Severn Stoke???? Very much doubt it only interested in the towns blow the people who live in the country. Bet he only went to where flood defences were, didn't see the flooded hones etc.
Did David Cameron stop off at Severn Stoke???? Very much doubt it only interested in the towns blow the people who live in the country. Bet he only went to where flood defences were, didn't see the flooded hones etc. citykid
  • Score: 1

2:13pm Mon 17 Feb 14

caer caradoc says...

I have just heard that the A4014 across Upton Bridge leading to Ryall and the A38 has just reopened.
I have just heard that the A4014 across Upton Bridge leading to Ryall and the A38 has just reopened. caer caradoc
  • Score: 3

3:27pm Mon 17 Feb 14

nantgarw says...

Don't worry. When UKIP has swept the board at the next General Election, Nige will sit on Worcester Bridge with a pint and a fag in his hands and order both the rain to stop and the floods to recede. Nirvana will have arrived.
On a serious note, how about a vote of thanks to the wonderful journalists on the Worcester News for keeping us all updated. Our newspaper is indispensable. Are the financial butchers at Newsquest listening?
Don't worry. When UKIP has swept the board at the next General Election, Nige will sit on Worcester Bridge with a pint and a fag in his hands and order both the rain to stop and the floods to recede. Nirvana will have arrived. On a serious note, how about a vote of thanks to the wonderful journalists on the Worcester News for keeping us all updated. Our newspaper is indispensable. Are the financial butchers at Newsquest listening? nantgarw
  • Score: -2

4:14pm Mon 17 Feb 14

citykid says...

Ted Elgar wrote:
@Arthur - I wasn't really arguing that there isn't much anyone can do, rather that modern river management isn't all about dredging channels constantly.
The scheme at Gheluvelt park actually involved opening up the area of meadow in the park to recreate floodplain conditions, whereas previously the river had been funnelled at that point.
A lot of people are jumping on the idea of bunds (see above), but they just move the problem further downstream. I can fully sympathise with residents wanting to protect their homes in Severn Stoke, but what if changes end up flooding more homes in Upton (for example) ?
Severn stoke has no protection at all, so why should we not have any???? You not being very friendly protect the towns blow the rest of us
[quote][p][bold]Ted Elgar[/bold] wrote: @Arthur - I wasn't really arguing that there isn't much anyone can do, rather that modern river management isn't all about dredging channels constantly. The scheme at Gheluvelt park actually involved opening up the area of meadow in the park to recreate floodplain conditions, whereas previously the river had been funnelled at that point. A lot of people are jumping on the idea of bunds (see above), but they just move the problem further downstream. I can fully sympathise with residents wanting to protect their homes in Severn Stoke, but what if changes end up flooding more homes in Upton (for example) ?[/p][/quote]Severn stoke has no protection at all, so why should we not have any???? You not being very friendly protect the towns blow the rest of us citykid
  • Score: -5

4:16pm Mon 17 Feb 14

nantgarw says...

I understand Slick Dave is not even going to visit Worcester. What an insult to its' thousands of residents.
I understand Slick Dave is not even going to visit Worcester. What an insult to its' thousands of residents. nantgarw
  • Score: -3

4:18pm Mon 17 Feb 14

citykid says...

Ted Elgar wrote:
"Too little, too late" ? Hardly. The floods have been just as bad as this in recent memory and the various flood alleviation works seem to have made the situation better, not worse. (See the improvements made at Gheluvelt park where the old water works once were).
The poor old Environment Agency has been given a good kicking over the floods with a great deal of ill-informed discussion of dredging in Somerset. Somerset hasn't seen that level of rainfall for over 200 hundred years, so it is hardly surprising nobody can remember it having been so bad. Meanwhile, TV reports have focused on canvassing angry farmers for opinion, not expert hyrdrologists, which means sensible informed debate has been buried, at least publicly.
The Conservatives (and UKIP) are happy to jump on the European Habitat Regulations as being the root cause of this (by preventing dredging of sensitive rivers), but the fact remains it wouldn't have made much, if any, difference. People will argue this point endlessly, but hydrology should be left to the experts. (I would imagine that the Environment Agency will be rubbing their collective hands together at this time of funding cuts as they argue their case for a bigger slice of the pie).
In the case of Worcester, we haven't seen a doomsday scenario, just a lot of water on the flood plain. That doesnt mean it isn't depressing to be flooded, but people living in Diglis (and Kempsey/Severn Stoke/Upton) can't really be surprised that their homes were at risk. The EA provide handy maps ("what's in your backyard") which could have helped those new to the area work out where floods and where doesn't.
Thanks for being British !!!! No thought for others, their fault if they flood no doubt u live in a multi storey flat???
[quote][p][bold]Ted Elgar[/bold] wrote: "Too little, too late" ? Hardly. The floods have been just as bad as this in recent memory and the various flood alleviation works seem to have made the situation better, not worse. (See the improvements made at Gheluvelt park where the old water works once were). The poor old Environment Agency has been given a good kicking over the floods with a great deal of ill-informed discussion of dredging in Somerset. Somerset hasn't seen that level of rainfall for over 200 hundred years, so it is hardly surprising nobody can remember it having been so bad. Meanwhile, TV reports have focused on canvassing angry farmers for opinion, not expert hyrdrologists, which means sensible informed debate has been buried, at least publicly. The Conservatives (and UKIP) are happy to jump on the European Habitat Regulations as being the root cause of this (by preventing dredging of sensitive rivers), but the fact remains it wouldn't have made much, if any, difference. People will argue this point endlessly, but hydrology should be left to the experts. (I would imagine that the Environment Agency will be rubbing their collective hands together at this time of funding cuts as they argue their case for a bigger slice of the pie). In the case of Worcester, we haven't seen a doomsday scenario, just a lot of water on the flood plain. That doesnt mean it isn't depressing to be flooded, but people living in Diglis (and Kempsey/Severn Stoke/Upton) can't really be surprised that their homes were at risk. The EA provide handy maps ("what's in your backyard") which could have helped those new to the area work out where floods and where doesn't.[/p][/quote]Thanks for being British !!!! No thought for others, their fault if they flood no doubt u live in a multi storey flat??? citykid
  • Score: -10

4:18pm Mon 17 Feb 14

citykid says...

Ted Elgar wrote:
"Too little, too late" ? Hardly. The floods have been just as bad as this in recent memory and the various flood alleviation works seem to have made the situation better, not worse. (See the improvements made at Gheluvelt park where the old water works once were).
The poor old Environment Agency has been given a good kicking over the floods with a great deal of ill-informed discussion of dredging in Somerset. Somerset hasn't seen that level of rainfall for over 200 hundred years, so it is hardly surprising nobody can remember it having been so bad. Meanwhile, TV reports have focused on canvassing angry farmers for opinion, not expert hyrdrologists, which means sensible informed debate has been buried, at least publicly.
The Conservatives (and UKIP) are happy to jump on the European Habitat Regulations as being the root cause of this (by preventing dredging of sensitive rivers), but the fact remains it wouldn't have made much, if any, difference. People will argue this point endlessly, but hydrology should be left to the experts. (I would imagine that the Environment Agency will be rubbing their collective hands together at this time of funding cuts as they argue their case for a bigger slice of the pie).
In the case of Worcester, we haven't seen a doomsday scenario, just a lot of water on the flood plain. That doesnt mean it isn't depressing to be flooded, but people living in Diglis (and Kempsey/Severn Stoke/Upton) can't really be surprised that their homes were at risk. The EA provide handy maps ("what's in your backyard") which could have helped those new to the area work out where floods and where doesn't.
Thanks for being British !!!! No thought for others, their fault if they flood no doubt u live in a multi storey flat???
[quote][p][bold]Ted Elgar[/bold] wrote: "Too little, too late" ? Hardly. The floods have been just as bad as this in recent memory and the various flood alleviation works seem to have made the situation better, not worse. (See the improvements made at Gheluvelt park where the old water works once were). The poor old Environment Agency has been given a good kicking over the floods with a great deal of ill-informed discussion of dredging in Somerset. Somerset hasn't seen that level of rainfall for over 200 hundred years, so it is hardly surprising nobody can remember it having been so bad. Meanwhile, TV reports have focused on canvassing angry farmers for opinion, not expert hyrdrologists, which means sensible informed debate has been buried, at least publicly. The Conservatives (and UKIP) are happy to jump on the European Habitat Regulations as being the root cause of this (by preventing dredging of sensitive rivers), but the fact remains it wouldn't have made much, if any, difference. People will argue this point endlessly, but hydrology should be left to the experts. (I would imagine that the Environment Agency will be rubbing their collective hands together at this time of funding cuts as they argue their case for a bigger slice of the pie). In the case of Worcester, we haven't seen a doomsday scenario, just a lot of water on the flood plain. That doesnt mean it isn't depressing to be flooded, but people living in Diglis (and Kempsey/Severn Stoke/Upton) can't really be surprised that their homes were at risk. The EA provide handy maps ("what's in your backyard") which could have helped those new to the area work out where floods and where doesn't.[/p][/quote]Thanks for being British !!!! No thought for others, their fault if they flood no doubt u live in a multi storey flat??? citykid
  • Score: -7

4:19pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Ted Elgar says...

I'm not saying Severn Stoke shouldn't have flood protection, but you do have to consider the impact of a bund further down the river. Mostly this argument is about farmers wanting to protect their land against flooding which then ends up making flooding worse in towns and villages.

I havent got a vendetta against Severn Stoke and don't have any idea whether a bund there would increase flooding in Upton. Have you tried asking the Environment Agency what their position is on creating a flood defence? Hylton Road only got their's after campaigning for it for a long time.
I'm not saying Severn Stoke shouldn't have flood protection, but you do have to consider the impact of a bund further down the river. Mostly this argument is about farmers wanting to protect their land against flooding which then ends up making flooding worse in towns and villages. I havent got a vendetta against Severn Stoke and don't have any idea whether a bund there would increase flooding in Upton. Have you tried asking the Environment Agency what their position is on creating a flood defence? Hylton Road only got their's after campaigning for it for a long time. Ted Elgar
  • Score: 4

4:52pm Mon 17 Feb 14

WilkoJ says...

citykid wrote:
Ted Elgar wrote:
"Too little, too late" ? Hardly. The floods have been just as bad as this in recent memory and the various flood alleviation works seem to have made the situation better, not worse. (See the improvements made at Gheluvelt park where the old water works once were).
The poor old Environment Agency has been given a good kicking over the floods with a great deal of ill-informed discussion of dredging in Somerset. Somerset hasn't seen that level of rainfall for over 200 hundred years, so it is hardly surprising nobody can remember it having been so bad. Meanwhile, TV reports have focused on canvassing angry farmers for opinion, not expert hyrdrologists, which means sensible informed debate has been buried, at least publicly.
The Conservatives (and UKIP) are happy to jump on the European Habitat Regulations as being the root cause of this (by preventing dredging of sensitive rivers), but the fact remains it wouldn't have made much, if any, difference. People will argue this point endlessly, but hydrology should be left to the experts. (I would imagine that the Environment Agency will be rubbing their collective hands together at this time of funding cuts as they argue their case for a bigger slice of the pie).
In the case of Worcester, we haven't seen a doomsday scenario, just a lot of water on the flood plain. That doesnt mean it isn't depressing to be flooded, but people living in Diglis (and Kempsey/Severn Stoke/Upton) can't really be surprised that their homes were at risk. The EA provide handy maps ("what's in your backyard") which could have helped those new to the area work out where floods and where doesn't.
Thanks for being British !!!! No thought for others, their fault if they flood no doubt u live in a multi storey flat???
One of the stupidest comments I've heard in a long time citykid. Ted Elgar is, perhaps, applying genuine logic to the situation while for him to go against the Conservative's misguided criticism of some authorities and experts for not dredging and building bunds seems like heresy to you. Acceding to irate calls to start dredging and building bunds everywhere is a knee-jerk reaction, while these measures would have done next to nothing anyway if they had already been implemented.

A massive, radical, landscape & community changing, holistic approach to flooding and land drainage is needed, but a huge amount of money running in to thousand of millions of pounds needs to be made available while the landscape and some urban environments require changing forever to accommodate flood defences, which these changes will impact upon communities and the livelihoods of farmers for example. Also, the fact remains that despite whatever measures are in place, not all communities will remain protected while flood defences and dredging can actually worsen the situation for many households. Some households will win, some will lose.
[quote][p][bold]citykid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ted Elgar[/bold] wrote: "Too little, too late" ? Hardly. The floods have been just as bad as this in recent memory and the various flood alleviation works seem to have made the situation better, not worse. (See the improvements made at Gheluvelt park where the old water works once were). The poor old Environment Agency has been given a good kicking over the floods with a great deal of ill-informed discussion of dredging in Somerset. Somerset hasn't seen that level of rainfall for over 200 hundred years, so it is hardly surprising nobody can remember it having been so bad. Meanwhile, TV reports have focused on canvassing angry farmers for opinion, not expert hyrdrologists, which means sensible informed debate has been buried, at least publicly. The Conservatives (and UKIP) are happy to jump on the European Habitat Regulations as being the root cause of this (by preventing dredging of sensitive rivers), but the fact remains it wouldn't have made much, if any, difference. People will argue this point endlessly, but hydrology should be left to the experts. (I would imagine that the Environment Agency will be rubbing their collective hands together at this time of funding cuts as they argue their case for a bigger slice of the pie). In the case of Worcester, we haven't seen a doomsday scenario, just a lot of water on the flood plain. That doesnt mean it isn't depressing to be flooded, but people living in Diglis (and Kempsey/Severn Stoke/Upton) can't really be surprised that their homes were at risk. The EA provide handy maps ("what's in your backyard") which could have helped those new to the area work out where floods and where doesn't.[/p][/quote]Thanks for being British !!!! No thought for others, their fault if they flood no doubt u live in a multi storey flat???[/p][/quote]One of the stupidest comments I've heard in a long time citykid. Ted Elgar is, perhaps, applying genuine logic to the situation while for him to go against the Conservative's misguided criticism of some authorities and experts for not dredging and building bunds seems like heresy to you. Acceding to irate calls to start dredging and building bunds everywhere is a knee-jerk reaction, while these measures would have done next to nothing anyway if they had already been implemented. A massive, radical, landscape & community changing, holistic approach to flooding and land drainage is needed, but a huge amount of money running in to thousand of millions of pounds needs to be made available while the landscape and some urban environments require changing forever to accommodate flood defences, which these changes will impact upon communities and the livelihoods of farmers for example. Also, the fact remains that despite whatever measures are in place, not all communities will remain protected while flood defences and dredging can actually worsen the situation for many households. Some households will win, some will lose. WilkoJ
  • Score: 2

4:54pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Jabbadad says...

Ted Edgar i would sooner be a Moron, or in fact many other things , but I would draw the line at BEING CALLED A TORY.
We now know that the Faces of the Nasty Tories are, Iain Duncan-Smith for his attack on the vulnerable over the Bedroom Tax, and Pickles over his attack on the Older and Vulnerable over the Cuts in Supporting Peoples funding, since although the cuts have been put on hold for 12 to 18 months, the support for Older People is still going to be taken away. And of course had there not been a huge outcry from the public (WELL DONE TO ALL OF YOU) They would have taken this money, and abandoned our elderly people.
Just like the Funding for Telecare and such schemes which are 24hour emergency pull cords which allow older and Vulnerable people to live Independant Lives, and are being taken away by this Government, and which lessoned the problems from when the 24hour on-site wardens were taken away .
Ted Edgar i would sooner be a Moron, or in fact many other things , but I would draw the line at BEING CALLED A TORY. We now know that the Faces of the Nasty Tories are, Iain Duncan-Smith for his attack on the vulnerable over the Bedroom Tax, and Pickles over his attack on the Older and Vulnerable over the Cuts in Supporting Peoples funding, since although the cuts have been put on hold for 12 to 18 months, the support for Older People is still going to be taken away. And of course had there not been a huge outcry from the public (WELL DONE TO ALL OF YOU) They would have taken this money, and abandoned our elderly people. Just like the Funding for Telecare and such schemes which are 24hour emergency pull cords which allow older and Vulnerable people to live Independant Lives, and are being taken away by this Government, and which lessoned the problems from when the 24hour on-site wardens were taken away . Jabbadad
  • Score: -4

5:12pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Mr Analysis says...

Why he came i have no idea, but good job everyone who has been keeping the water at bay and helping out.

Lets hope the river gets dragged and the banks built up a little though for next time.
Why he came i have no idea, but good job everyone who has been keeping the water at bay and helping out. Lets hope the river gets dragged and the banks built up a little though for next time. Mr Analysis
  • Score: 1

5:25pm Mon 17 Feb 14

bmoc55 says...

Stop!!! The rainfall we have had has broken records back 250 years so of course there was going to be flooding it is commonsense (something that a lot of whingeing critics are lacking).
Stop!!! The rainfall we have had has broken records back 250 years so of course there was going to be flooding it is commonsense (something that a lot of whingeing critics are lacking). bmoc55
  • Score: 8

6:15pm Mon 17 Feb 14

KTH_79 says...

I'll make misguided, idiotic, inflammatory and pot-stirring comments - but if I also use LOADS OF CAPITAL LETTERS it'll give it some semblance of balance in my insular closed-shop mind.

TORIES, IMMIGRANTS, BIG BAD DAVE

To quote the great Graham Chapman in an episode of Monty Python which seems apt when drawing comparisons with certain "contributor" here:

Conservative (Chapman): (droning) Well... I just drone on and on and on and on without letting anyone else get a word in edgeways, until I start foaming at the mouth and falling over backwards. Ooo-aaahhh. (THUD)
I'll make misguided, idiotic, inflammatory and pot-stirring comments - but if I also use LOADS OF CAPITAL LETTERS it'll give it some semblance of balance in my insular closed-shop mind. TORIES, IMMIGRANTS, BIG BAD DAVE To quote the great Graham Chapman in an episode of Monty Python which seems apt when drawing comparisons with certain "contributor" here: Conservative (Chapman): (droning) Well... I just drone on and on and on and on without letting anyone else get a word in edgeways, until I start foaming at the mouth and falling over backwards. Ooo-aaahhh. (THUD) KTH_79
  • Score: 4

6:41pm Mon 17 Feb 14

redtail65 says...

Mr Analysis wrote:
Why he came i have no idea, but good job everyone who has been keeping the water at bay and helping out.

Lets hope the river gets dragged and the banks built up a little though for next time.
you know why he came ....after votes
[quote][p][bold]Mr Analysis[/bold] wrote: Why he came i have no idea, but good job everyone who has been keeping the water at bay and helping out. Lets hope the river gets dragged and the banks built up a little though for next time.[/p][/quote]you know why he came ....after votes redtail65
  • Score: 0

6:43pm Mon 17 Feb 14

redtail65 says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Ted Edgar i would sooner be a Moron, or in fact many other things , but I would draw the line at BEING CALLED A TORY.
We now know that the Faces of the Nasty Tories are, Iain Duncan-Smith for his attack on the vulnerable over the Bedroom Tax, and Pickles over his attack on the Older and Vulnerable over the Cuts in Supporting Peoples funding, since although the cuts have been put on hold for 12 to 18 months, the support for Older People is still going to be taken away. And of course had there not been a huge outcry from the public (WELL DONE TO ALL OF YOU) They would have taken this money, and abandoned our elderly people.
Just like the Funding for Telecare and such schemes which are 24hour emergency pull cords which allow older and Vulnerable people to live Independant Lives, and are being taken away by this Government, and which lessoned the problems from when the 24hour on-site wardens were taken away .
well said
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Ted Edgar i would sooner be a Moron, or in fact many other things , but I would draw the line at BEING CALLED A TORY. We now know that the Faces of the Nasty Tories are, Iain Duncan-Smith for his attack on the vulnerable over the Bedroom Tax, and Pickles over his attack on the Older and Vulnerable over the Cuts in Supporting Peoples funding, since although the cuts have been put on hold for 12 to 18 months, the support for Older People is still going to be taken away. And of course had there not been a huge outcry from the public (WELL DONE TO ALL OF YOU) They would have taken this money, and abandoned our elderly people. Just like the Funding for Telecare and such schemes which are 24hour emergency pull cords which allow older and Vulnerable people to live Independant Lives, and are being taken away by this Government, and which lessoned the problems from when the 24hour on-site wardens were taken away .[/p][/quote]well said redtail65
  • Score: -6

5:45am Tue 18 Feb 14

High&dry says...

The Wadborough road is not closed and has not been for many days. Misinformation is just as bad as being informed.
The Wadborough road is not closed and has not been for many days. Misinformation is just as bad as being informed. High&dry
  • Score: 3

8:26am Tue 18 Feb 14

green49 says...

cludgehill,, Another predictable reactionary quote from the ever predictable Tory hating dinosuar that is green49.??

TRUTH HURTS THOUGH doesnt it?

Hightime, the flood defences have saved many but diverted the water elsewhare and it hasnt saved those folk, a lot who have never had floods before, Cameron is a PR man or full of **** i know my view of him, his government cannot control the weather but as ususal and i put all politicians in this, they tell you what you want to here to get your vote then ignore you after, not listening to the people who live in areas that flood is stupid, its the same with local planning they still allow building on land that floods.
cludgehill,, Another predictable reactionary quote from the ever predictable Tory hating dinosuar that is green49.?? TRUTH HURTS THOUGH doesnt it? Hightime, the flood defences have saved many but diverted the water elsewhare and it hasnt saved those folk, a lot who have never had floods before, Cameron is a PR man or full of **** i know my view of him, his government cannot control the weather but as ususal and i put all politicians in this, they tell you what you want to here to get your vote then ignore you after, not listening to the people who live in areas that flood is stupid, its the same with local planning they still allow building on land that floods. green49
  • Score: 2

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