Horses are not abandoned in the mud says traveller who owns them

Malvern Gazette: (3753939) (3753939)

A TRAVELLER says all three of his horses are well looked after following complaints from the public about them being left tethered in mud.

Shane Smith, aged 23, of Offerton Lane, Warndon Villages, Worcester, says he feeds the three horses every day and has spent £4,000 on the animals in vet's bills in the last month to keep them healthy and in top condition. Complaints were received from members of the public about the muddy state of the animals in Berkeley Way. One wrote: "I bet the horses are glad their owner is warm and dry somewhere." But their owner Mr Smith, who is backed by a local horse rescue charity in Malvern, said: "At this time of year you can expect them to be muddy. People keep on complaining but I've had vets out checking them. Honestly, it has cost me thousands looking after those horses. You can never keep them clean this time of year but in the summer they are lovely and clean. It is people who don't know about horses who complain." He said he lives just two minutes away from where they are tethered and moves them around regularly so they have fresh grass.

He said he bought them for his one-year-old daughter. He said the horses - two Irish Cobbs called Indy and Babs and a full-bred trotting mare called Penny were not a risk to public safety. He said: "My daughter can sit on their back and ride them up and down. They're harmless. If a one-year-old can sit on them they're not going to harm an adult."

Mr Smith was backed by Sue Penny of Penny Ha'Penny Horse and Pony Rescue who went out to visit the animals on Monday to check on them. She said: "Those horses are all fit enough. I personally don't like them to see them tethered. It's not ideal. But the owner is watering them, moving them and checking them. It is hard to keep them clean at this time of year. They are not abandoned. He checks them every day. I have seen him do it. People are getting upset but they are humanising these horses. They are being checked on more than some people who maybe see their horses twice a week and do not realise their needs." She also advised members of the public not to feed the horses as they were already fed. She said feeding them the wrong foods could harm the animals. She said: "It's not perfect but they're better off than a lot of horses. I don't feed other people's horses."

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12:12pm Tue 4 Feb 14

High Time says...

But they are still on council land next to a public highway which is a Health and Safety issue.
But they are still on council land next to a public highway which is a Health and Safety issue. High Time
  • Score: 34

12:15pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Vox populi says...

More to the point why are they on verges next to the highway?

I might be wrong but I thought horses required a field either rented or owned by the animal owner.
More to the point why are they on verges next to the highway? I might be wrong but I thought horses required a field either rented or owned by the animal owner. Vox populi
  • Score: 38

12:57pm Tue 4 Feb 14

lilboo says...

My horses are muddier than this, its impossible for them not to be at this time of year in these weather conditions. However, they are making a muddy mess of MY land, not chucked on a road side where anything could happen to them. This practice must be stopped, World Horse Welfare have successfully got the law changed in Wales against fly grazing - why, why why is the same not being done in England?
My horses are muddier than this, its impossible for them not to be at this time of year in these weather conditions. However, they are making a muddy mess of MY land, not chucked on a road side where anything could happen to them. This practice must be stopped, World Horse Welfare have successfully got the law changed in Wales against fly grazing - why, why why is the same not being done in England? lilboo
  • Score: 33

12:58pm Tue 4 Feb 14

mack18 says...

Bought three horses, and not even ponies, for a one year old ???
Bought three horses, and not even ponies, for a one year old ??? mack18
  • Score: 24

1:07pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Vox populi says...

mack18 wrote:
Bought three horses, and not even ponies, for a one year old ???
Maybe they shop at Tescos and its a hungry one year old....
[quote][p][bold]mack18[/bold] wrote: Bought three horses, and not even ponies, for a one year old ???[/p][/quote]Maybe they shop at Tescos and its a hungry one year old.... Vox populi
  • Score: 5

1:12pm Tue 4 Feb 14

jb says...

The owner can afford (allegedly) £4k in vets fees but won't pay for land to graze the ponies on. Anyone else would have to pay so why not travellers?
The owner can afford (allegedly) £4k in vets fees but won't pay for land to graze the ponies on. Anyone else would have to pay so why not travellers? jb
  • Score: 41

4:36pm Tue 4 Feb 14

joe pike says...

Seems that Mr Smith has been allowed to set a precedent.

Having decided that he can assume the rights of ownership and use local authority land free of charge/penalty as he sees fit,- are we to assume that this opens the the way for the rest of us to adopt any land /greensward /verges beside our own roads and use them freely ,as we see fit ???

Lots of us could do with more off road parking for our cars, a bit more land for our gardens, somewhere to put the caravan etc. so presumably we can now all get stuck in and grab as much free land as we choose?

Or do we have to be a member of a `minority group` to get away with it unchallenged?
Seems that Mr Smith has been allowed to set a precedent. Having decided that he can assume the rights of ownership and use local authority land free of charge/penalty as he sees fit,- are we to assume that this opens the the way for the rest of us to adopt any land /greensward /verges beside our own roads and use them freely ,as we see fit ??? Lots of us could do with more off road parking for our cars, a bit more land for our gardens, somewhere to put the caravan etc. so presumably we can now all get stuck in and grab as much free land as we choose? Or do we have to be a member of a `minority group` to get away with it unchallenged? joe pike
  • Score: 32

8:47pm Tue 4 Feb 14

goodygoody says...

And when do these poor horses ever run free. Tethered, day in and day out, no dry stable to give them chance to dry off a bit, no towelling down and grooming and owned by a one year old and a father that thinks these horses are fine. And God help us that the rescue centre in Malvern actually backs him up. What's wrong with them?
And when do these poor horses ever run free. Tethered, day in and day out, no dry stable to give them chance to dry off a bit, no towelling down and grooming and owned by a one year old and a father that thinks these horses are fine. And God help us that the rescue centre in Malvern actually backs him up. What's wrong with them? goodygoody
  • Score: 20

9:38pm Tue 4 Feb 14

joe pike says...

The hapless woman from the horse and pony rescue outfit states that the owner is "Moving them and checking them" and "They are not abandoned"

OF COURSE Mr Smith is moving and checking his horses,- for two very obvious reasons
(1) If they`re moved now and again they cant be seized as abandoned animals
(2) they have HAD to be moved regularly as they`ve trampled down and turned almost every previously well kept lawned area locally into a quagmire floating in horsesh*t (which WE will end up paying for the removal of)

Mr Smith is playing the usual traveller game of baiting the local authority and residents by seeing how far ,and for how long he can abuse the areas we live in.

I think the point is being missed,- forget the **** horses, they seem (relatively) OK.
The point is that Mr Smith has no right to move onto our (Ratepayers) land and use it for his horses thereby avoiding fees for paddocks/stabling etc.
If he can afford out of pocket expenses for the animals of 4K, he can afford to repay our local authority the cost of reinstating all defaced areas, and for proper stabling of his animals.

Come on WN !!!, theres plenty here to wave in the face of our local grandees, why not ask them on our behalf just why theyre so afraid of taking action against the likes of Mr Smith?.
The hapless woman from the horse and pony rescue outfit states that the owner is "Moving them and checking them" and "They are not abandoned" OF COURSE Mr Smith is moving and checking his horses,- for two very obvious reasons (1) If they`re moved now and again they cant be seized as abandoned animals (2) they have HAD to be moved regularly as they`ve trampled down and turned almost every previously well kept lawned area locally into a quagmire floating in horsesh*t (which WE will end up paying for the removal of) Mr Smith is playing the usual traveller game of baiting the local authority and residents by seeing how far ,and for how long he can abuse the areas we live in. I think the point is being missed,- forget the **** horses, they seem (relatively) OK. The point is that Mr Smith has no right to move onto our (Ratepayers) land and use it for his horses thereby avoiding fees for paddocks/stabling etc. If he can afford out of pocket expenses for the animals of 4K, he can afford to repay our local authority the cost of reinstating all defaced areas, and for proper stabling of his animals. Come on WN !!!, theres plenty here to wave in the face of our local grandees, why not ask them on our behalf just why theyre so afraid of taking action against the likes of Mr Smith?. joe pike
  • Score: 21

7:39am Wed 5 Feb 14

peaches1 says...

I agree with Goody Goody. It's cruel to keep these poor horses tethered 24/7. I can't believe so called horse rescue people think this is ok. Where are the RSPCA anway?? Someone should rescue these poor animals.
I agree with Goody Goody. It's cruel to keep these poor horses tethered 24/7. I can't believe so called horse rescue people think this is ok. Where are the RSPCA anway?? Someone should rescue these poor animals. peaches1
  • Score: 14

11:28am Wed 5 Feb 14

Monkey 23 says...

I completely agree with what's being said. They have just left these horses to be " ok" , I'm sorry these poor horses deserve much better than this. It's gales and constant rain in our area and ha been for the last few weeks as we all know. These horses deserve freedom to exercise, warmth, grooming, shelter. Surely that's not asking too much ?! It's awful that they are tied up by a busy road with traffic zooming past them day and night .
Shame on the RSPCA and Malvern Horses Sanctuary. It's disgusting !
I completely agree with what's being said. They have just left these horses to be " ok" , I'm sorry these poor horses deserve much better than this. It's gales and constant rain in our area and ha been for the last few weeks as we all know. These horses deserve freedom to exercise, warmth, grooming, shelter. Surely that's not asking too much ?! It's awful that they are tied up by a busy road with traffic zooming past them day and night . Shame on the RSPCA and Malvern Horses Sanctuary. It's disgusting ! Monkey 23
  • Score: 20

1:54pm Wed 5 Feb 14

HavingAread says...

Whatever... Everyone here is upset about someone using land that isn't being used!!! Some would just call that resourceful, who cares, the council don't seem to so why should you! Let some people live outside the confined boxes and shackles of modern times.. The land is land -not yours, mine or there's, get off your soup box and live a little differently.
Whatever... Everyone here is upset about someone using land that isn't being used!!! Some would just call that resourceful, who cares, the council don't seem to so why should you! Let some people live outside the confined boxes and shackles of modern times.. The land is land -not yours, mine or there's, get off your soup box and live a little differently. HavingAread
  • Score: -17

3:17pm Wed 5 Feb 14

jb says...

HavingAread the problem is we can't all live differently can we? If a family from the Warndon Villages decided to buy their child a pony and tether It on the grass verges along Woodgreen Drive they would have the county council and animal welfare coming down on them like a ton of bricks for being 'resourceful'.
HavingAread the problem is we can't all live differently can we? If a family from the Warndon Villages decided to buy their child a pony and tether It on the grass verges along Woodgreen Drive they would have the county council and animal welfare coming down on them like a ton of bricks for being 'resourceful'. jb
  • Score: 19

3:18pm Wed 5 Feb 14

jb says...

My last post should include city council too.
My last post should include city council too. jb
  • Score: 2

4:04pm Wed 5 Feb 14

dwichgirl says...

Why would you buy 3 horses if you have nowhere to keep them? Horses/ponies regularly escape onto the road in this area which is a danger to everyone. These horses look cold, wet and miserable.... they need shelter. Shame on the animal welfare person who said these horses are ok.... I hope you never end up looking after me.
Why would you buy 3 horses if you have nowhere to keep them? Horses/ponies regularly escape onto the road in this area which is a danger to everyone. These horses look cold, wet and miserable.... they need shelter. Shame on the animal welfare person who said these horses are ok.... I hope you never end up looking after me. dwichgirl
  • Score: 17

5:38pm Wed 5 Feb 14

pudniw_gib says...

Dont know the ins and outs of this but our horses are also living in muddy conditions at the moment, its bad everywhere. Ours have shelter but aint that fussed about the weather as its not that cold and they have a bit of fat still.
As for rugging up horses ... they generally dont need it unless its really cold or they are fragile for some reason.
Dont know the ins and outs of this but our horses are also living in muddy conditions at the moment, its bad everywhere. Ours have shelter but aint that fussed about the weather as its not that cold and they have a bit of fat still. As for rugging up horses ... they generally dont need it unless its really cold or they are fragile for some reason. pudniw_gib
  • Score: -7

6:52am Thu 6 Feb 14

tk33 says...

Last night on my way home a woman was feeding these horses and then without looking tan across the road I nearly ran her over as she came from knowhere!
These horses should not be left on the dude of the road of he had knowhere to keep them don't buy them! End of! Honestly I am sick of the trail of destruction people leave!
Last night on my way home a woman was feeding these horses and then without looking tan across the road I nearly ran her over as she came from knowhere! These horses should not be left on the dude of the road of he had knowhere to keep them don't buy them! End of! Honestly I am sick of the trail of destruction people leave! tk33
  • Score: 5

9:39am Thu 6 Feb 14

HavingAread says...

How funny! People really do believe in the idea of ownership... U r all a joke, human ownership of a tiny piece of land where wild horse graze is a joke alas are you, you will pass as will others.. The land will not
How funny! People really do believe in the idea of ownership... U r all a joke, human ownership of a tiny piece of land where wild horse graze is a joke alas are you, you will pass as will others.. The land will not HavingAread
  • Score: -13

10:49am Thu 6 Feb 14

nobby7 says...

HavingAread wrote:
Whatever... Everyone here is upset about someone using land that isn't being used!!! Some would just call that resourceful, who cares, the council don't seem to so why should you! Let some people live outside the confined boxes and shackles of modern times.. The land is land -not yours, mine or there's, get off your soup box and live a little differently.
Soup box? well thats a new one on me.
[quote][p][bold]HavingAread[/bold] wrote: Whatever... Everyone here is upset about someone using land that isn't being used!!! Some would just call that resourceful, who cares, the council don't seem to so why should you! Let some people live outside the confined boxes and shackles of modern times.. The land is land -not yours, mine or there's, get off your soup box and live a little differently.[/p][/quote]Soup box? well thats a new one on me. nobby7
  • Score: 5

9:45am Fri 7 Feb 14

redman14 says...

The issue here is that surely a horse should be free to roam a round NOT tethered so why cant this be judged as animal cruelty. JOKE!!
The issue here is that surely a horse should be free to roam a round NOT tethered so why cant this be judged as animal cruelty. JOKE!! redman14
  • Score: 2

2:11pm Fri 7 Feb 14

joe pike says...

redman14 wrote:
The issue here is that surely a horse should be free to roam a round NOT tethered so why cant this be judged as animal cruelty. JOKE!!
A joke indeed Redman,
late morning today (Friday) the smallest and filthiest pony was having to pull a small gig along Tolladine Road. I watched it struggle along near to the junction with Ambleside with all the associated traffic congestion, whilst the teenager driving the outfit ,and his young boy passenger (Hitting its flank with a stick) laughed like drains.Its all about enjoyment i suppose.....pity the horses dont get a say in it.

If the local Authority or the Police wanted to, they could easily remove Mr Smiths horses from him,or force him to remove them, using Sections 148 and 149 of the highways act 1980 (148 because of dung/excrement being deposited and 149 to anything of potential danger left/deposited beside the highway)
Why not put it to them, WN ?

If they replied that nothing can be done, then i`d suggest that would mean , at the very minimum that:-
All local workers could use all of the verges from the Barn owl to Junction 6 for free daytime parking. -as could any medium sized HGV or delivery vehicles needing a park-up
Any motor traders can freely display their cars at the roadside for sale
We can all feel free to dump any organic matter of our choosing (or making) anywhere along the roadside.


Whats good for the goose...........??
[quote][p][bold]redman14[/bold] wrote: The issue here is that surely a horse should be free to roam a round NOT tethered so why cant this be judged as animal cruelty. JOKE!![/p][/quote]A joke indeed Redman, late morning today (Friday) the smallest and filthiest pony was having to pull a small gig along Tolladine Road. I watched it struggle along near to the junction with Ambleside with all the associated traffic congestion, whilst the teenager driving the outfit ,and his young boy passenger (Hitting its flank with a stick) laughed like drains.Its all about enjoyment i suppose.....pity the horses dont get a say in it. If the local Authority or the Police wanted to, they could easily remove Mr Smiths horses from him,or force him to remove them, using Sections 148 and 149 of the highways act 1980 (148 because of dung/excrement being deposited and 149 to anything of potential danger left/deposited beside the highway) Why not put it to them, WN ? If they replied that nothing can be done, then i`d suggest that would mean , at the very minimum that:- All local workers could use all of the verges from the Barn owl to Junction 6 for free daytime parking. -as could any medium sized HGV or delivery vehicles needing a park-up Any motor traders can freely display their cars at the roadside for sale We can all feel free to dump any organic matter of our choosing (or making) anywhere along the roadside. Whats good for the goose...........?? joe pike
  • Score: 6

7:04pm Sat 8 Feb 14

murfyboy says...

on several occasions I have seen these horses running loose through the warndon villages , they are tied up now at the side of a main road what happens when one gets loose and actually causes some damage ? either to a member of the publics property or causes harm or injury on the roads by causing a traffic accident . these animals are the property of mr smith and so he should take action to prevent the possibility of these animals either hurting themselves or the public or causing damage to property by homing these animals in a appropriate manner. Again the council wont do anything till its too late , just think if these animals do any damage or harm I doubt mr smith is insured and as usual with travellers I expect being faced with a big legal bill would infact disappear into the traveller community
on several occasions I have seen these horses running loose through the warndon villages , they are tied up now at the side of a main road what happens when one gets loose and actually causes some damage ? either to a member of the publics property or causes harm or injury on the roads by causing a traffic accident . these animals are the property of mr smith and so he should take action to prevent the possibility of these animals either hurting themselves or the public or causing damage to property by homing these animals in a appropriate manner. Again the council wont do anything till its too late , just think if these animals do any damage or harm I doubt mr smith is insured and as usual with travellers I expect being faced with a big legal bill would infact disappear into the traveller community murfyboy
  • Score: 1

1:50pm Mon 10 Feb 14

liketoknow says...

HavingAread wrote:
Whatever... Everyone here is upset about someone using land that isn't being used!!! Some would just call that resourceful, who cares, the council don't seem to so why should you! Let some people live outside the confined boxes and shackles of modern times.. The land is land -not yours, mine or there's, get off your soup box and live a little differently.
there lies anarchy
[quote][p][bold]HavingAread[/bold] wrote: Whatever... Everyone here is upset about someone using land that isn't being used!!! Some would just call that resourceful, who cares, the council don't seem to so why should you! Let some people live outside the confined boxes and shackles of modern times.. The land is land -not yours, mine or there's, get off your soup box and live a little differently.[/p][/quote]there lies anarchy liketoknow
  • Score: 2

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