Call to cone off slip road at roundabout (From Malvern Gazette)

uptonX wrote:
If the councils lawyers could see the number of accidents and near misses there every week the sliproad would be coned of straight away.
It is an incredibly dangerous road layout. It's not about bad driving it's about visability, splay angles etc.
Many people just don't use the sliproad if heading to Malvern and instead use the left lane of the roundabout in the norrmal safe way, certainly myself, family and friends all do. It is much safer (and actually quicker) but you still have to be very aware of the risk of someone ignoring the give way and pulling out in front of you - but once you are aware you can handle that risk. Much more dangerous is being rear ended in the slip road whilst waiting by somone looking over their shoulder and being pushed out in to the traffic flow. OK technically that sort of accident is not your fault but if a truck rear ends you there whose fault might be the last of your concerns.
I'm sure the cones and closure will happen after the first fatality but until then sensible safe advice is don't use the sliproad, there is no law or rule that says you have to.

uptonX wrote:
Regarding the comment that those who refuse to use the dangerous sliproad and instead choose the safer roundabout route are "morons" then tell that to the West Mercia Police car I followed through there a couple of weeks ago who also used the roundabout rather than the slip road when going towards Malvern. Police drivers are amongst the most trained and competent on the road so no surprise that this one also realised the only safe way to handle that junction is avoid the slip road.

uptonX wrote:
Nothing "ignorant" or "against the rules" about using the roundabout when going left towards Malvern. It is currently the only safe way to negotiate that junction, in fact if everyone did that the problem would go away, hence why the cones are a good idea.

Fog Based Japery wrote:

uptonX wrote:
Nothing "ignorant" or "against the rules" about using the roundabout when going left towards Malvern. It is currently the only safe way to negotiate that junction, in fact if everyone did that the problem would go away, hence why the cones are a good idea.

You truly are an ignorant idiot aren't you!

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

uptonX wrote:
Nothing "ignorant" or "against the rules" about using the roundabout when going left towards Malvern. It is currently the only safe way to negotiate that junction, in fact if everyone did that the problem would go away, hence why the cones are a good idea.

You truly are an ignorant idiot aren't you!

No he isn't. The people queuing for the slip road are the ignorant idiots. They cause the dangerous problems with traffic tailing back to the M5 motorway and clagging up the whole area.

UptonX is correct; if everyone did what he or she suggests, there wouldn't be a problem.

Fog Based Japery wrote:

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

uptonX wrote:
Nothing "ignorant" or "against the rules" about using the roundabout when going left towards Malvern. It is currently the only safe way to negotiate that junction, in fact if everyone did that the problem would go away, hence why the cones are a good idea.

You truly are an ignorant idiot aren't you!

No he isn't. The people queuing for the slip road are the ignorant idiots. They cause the dangerous problems with traffic tailing back to the M5 motorway and clagging up the whole area.

UptonX is correct; if everyone did what he or she suggests, there wouldn't be a problem.

Do you not see the new problem you have just created with your solution. These "idiots" queuing for the slip road using the new road layout as it is intended will now just queue for the left hand lane to enter the roundabout..........

.... But good logic there, you've done exceptionally well. I'm getting a medal made up for you now.

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

uptonX wrote:
Nothing "ignorant" or "against the rules" about using the roundabout when going left towards Malvern. It is currently the only safe way to negotiate that junction, in fact if everyone did that the problem would go away, hence why the cones are a good idea.

You truly are an ignorant idiot aren't you!

No he isn't. The people queuing for the slip road are the ignorant idiots. They cause the dangerous problems with traffic tailing back to the M5 motorway and clagging up the whole area.

UptonX is correct; if everyone did what he or she suggests, there wouldn't be a problem.

Do you not see the new problem you have just created with your solution. These "idiots" queuing for the slip road using the new road layout as it is intended will now just queue for the left hand lane to enter the roundabout..........


.... But good logic there, you've done exceptionally well. I'm getting a medal made up for you now.

Exactly, and by going back to how it was before, there will be far less congestion because traffic can filter West more easily, just like it did before the new slip road.

Do you not see that the problem is caused by traffic not be able to exit the new slip road quickly and efficiently enough?

aftermath wrote:
One of the 'problems' that I have witnessed quite regularly is people who are using the slip road waiting for traffic coming around the roundabout are suddenly confronted by morons skipping past the slip road and turning left off the inside lane of the main carriageway, it is often these vehicles which are difficult to see until the last minute, that are causing the problems. Of course we must understand that the drivers of these vehicles have the divine right to get to wherever they are going before the drivers who are conforming to the rules.

Hillbilly1 wrote:

aftermath wrote:
One of the 'problems' that I have witnessed quite regularly is people who are using the slip road waiting for traffic coming around the roundabout are suddenly confronted by morons skipping past the slip road and turning left off the inside lane of the main carriageway, it is often these vehicles which are difficult to see until the last minute, that are causing the problems. Of course we must understand that the drivers of these vehicles have the divine right to get to wherever they are going before the drivers who are conforming to the rules.

Drivers who do this are comforming to the rules. They are simply approaching a traffic island, giving way to traffic coming around the island, and then making a perfectly legal left turn.
What I find most concerning about this road design is that it hasnt made a blind bit of difference to the congestion. I came through here on Friday last week and the traffic was queueing to the motorway island just like it used to before! I took the right hand lane, and made a perfectly legal entry to the island, went right round the island and then left down the bypass.
One of the main problems with this junction is that there are now three lanes entering the junction, the majority of the traffic turns left, but only has one lane, often leaving two lanes totally free for the minority of traffic travelling into the city via London Road or turning into Whittington. Surely the traffic surveys should have identified that ??

Fog Based Japery wrote:

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

uptonX wrote:
Nothing "ignorant" or "against the rules" about using the roundabout when going left towards Malvern. It is currently the only safe way to negotiate that junction, in fact if everyone did that the problem would go away, hence why the cones are a good idea.

You truly are an ignorant idiot aren't you!

No he isn't. The people queuing for the slip road are the ignorant idiots. They cause the dangerous problems with traffic tailing back to the M5 motorway and clagging up the whole area.

UptonX is correct; if everyone did what he or she suggests, there wouldn't be a problem.

Do you not see the new problem you have just created with your solution. These "idiots" queuing for the slip road using the new road layout as it is intended will now just queue for the left hand lane to enter the roundabout..........



.... But good logic there, you've done exceptionally well. I'm getting a medal made up for you now.

Exactly, and by going back to how it was before, there will be far less congestion because traffic can filter West more easily, just like it did before the new slip road.

Do you not see that the problem is caused by traffic not be able to exit the new slip road quickly and efficiently enough?

No that was the problem before! The problem now is people using the new road layout incorrectly by ignoring the slip road, and doing the things aftermath mentions. I'm just off for a chat with a brick wall for a bit more sense...

moatler wrote:
How about adding traffic lights, just two sets to alternate the traffic flow coming onto the roundabout from Whittington Rd and the M5. Is that possible or is it too out of the box for the highways department? At bit like was added at the M5 Jcn 5 northbound exit which has improved matters immensely there (once they got the phasing right). I'd say the biggest problem you've got from a congestion point of view is that not all driver's are aggressive and a nervous ninny will cause tail backs. You'll see it at any rush hour junction.

Hillbilly1 wrote:

aftermath wrote:
One of the 'problems' that I have witnessed quite regularly is people who are using the slip road waiting for traffic coming around the roundabout are suddenly confronted by morons skipping past the slip road and turning left off the inside lane of the main carriageway, it is often these vehicles which are difficult to see until the last minute, that are causing the problems. Of course we must understand that the drivers of these vehicles have the divine right to get to wherever they are going before the drivers who are conforming to the rules.

Drivers who do this are comforming to the rules. They are simply approaching a traffic island, giving way to traffic coming around the island, and then making a perfectly legal left turn.
What I find most concerning about this road design is that it hasnt made a blind bit of difference to the congestion. I came through here on Friday last week and the traffic was queueing to the motorway island just like it used to before! I took the right hand lane, and made a perfectly legal entry to the island, went right round the island and then left down the bypass.
One of the main problems with this junction is that there are now three lanes entering the junction, the majority of the traffic turns left, but only has one lane, often leaving two lanes totally free for the minority of traffic travelling into the city via London Road or turning into Whittington. Surely the traffic surveys should have identified that ??

Hillbilly1 wrote:
I came through here on Friday last week and the traffic was queueing to the motorway island just like it used to before! I took the right hand lane, and made a perfectly legal entry to the island, went right round the island and then left down the bypass.

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

uptonX wrote:
Nothing "ignorant" or "against the rules" about using the roundabout when going left towards Malvern. It is currently the only safe way to negotiate that junction, in fact if everyone did that the problem would go away, hence why the cones are a good idea.

You truly are an ignorant idiot aren't you!

No he isn't. The people queuing for the slip road are the ignorant idiots. They cause the dangerous problems with traffic tailing back to the M5 motorway and clagging up the whole area.

UptonX is correct; if everyone did what he or she suggests, there wouldn't be a problem.

Do you not see the new problem you have just created with your solution. These "idiots" queuing for the slip road using the new road layout as it is intended will now just queue for the left hand lane to enter the roundabout..........




.... But good logic there, you've done exceptionally well. I'm getting a medal made up for you now.

Exactly, and by going back to how it was before, there will be far less congestion because traffic can filter West more easily, just like it did before the new slip road.

Do you not see that the problem is caused by traffic not be able to exit the new slip road quickly and efficiently enough?

No that was the problem before! The problem now is people using the new road layout incorrectly by ignoring the slip road, and doing the things aftermath mentions. I'm just off for a chat with a brick wall for a bit more sense...

I understand what you're saying but clearly you cannot see anyone's point of view other than your own and do not possess the intelligence to have a proper debate whilst avoiding using patronising comments.

My point is there wasn't a problem before compared to the mess that exists now, so going back to how it was before seems like the obvious solution.

uptonX wrote:
Anything in the Highway Code is overridden by the law which puts the onus on motorists to drive with due care and attention and consideration for other road users. By that measure you have to use the roundabout rather than the slip road when turning left and the left lane up the hill. That is the only safe way to negotiate that junction.

farmeralan1963 wrote:
The highways people are constantly saying the design conforms to legislation. That may well be the case, but there's a world of difference from design to its application on the ground, as designs should be implemented to suit the area and existing road layout.

The layouts near the Three Pears and Powick island have this slip road and work fairly well, but the one at Whittington is a disaster and that's down to poor planning and incompetence by the highways department. The problem is that they are too ignorant, arrogant and simply up their own backsides to realise the error of their ways. Drivers do have a responsibility, but there is so much they can do and even common sense and the highway code cannot overcome a dangerous road layout.

We must all continue to get those reponsible to become publicly accountable, as well as demand they attend and explain themselves at a public meeting. And I still believe there should be calls for resignations.

May be we should get the local TV News involved.

farmeralan1963 wrote:
The highways people are constantly saying the design conforms to legislation. That may well be the case, but there's a world of difference from design to its application on the ground, as designs should be implemented to suit the area and existing road layout.

The layouts near the Three Pears and Powick island have this slip road and work fairly well, but the one at Whittington is a disaster and that's down to poor planning and incompetence by the highways department. The problem is that they are too ignorant, arrogant and simply up their own backsides to realise the error of their ways. Drivers do have a responsibility, but there is so much they can do and even common sense and the highway code cannot overcome a dangerous road layout.

We must all continue to get those reponsible to become publicly accountable, as well as demand they attend and explain themselves at a public meeting. And I still believe there should be calls for resignations.

May be we should get the local TV News involved.

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

uptonX wrote:
Nothing "ignorant" or "against the rules" about using the roundabout when going left towards Malvern. It is currently the only safe way to negotiate that junction, in fact if everyone did that the problem would go away, hence why the cones are a good idea.

You truly are an ignorant idiot aren't you!

No he isn't. The people queuing for the slip road are the ignorant idiots. They cause the dangerous problems with traffic tailing back to the M5 motorway and clagging up the whole area.

UptonX is correct; if everyone did what he or she suggests, there wouldn't be a problem.

Do you not see the new problem you have just created with your solution. These "idiots" queuing for the slip road using the new road layout as it is intended will now just queue for the left hand lane to enter the roundabout..........




.... But good logic there, you've done exceptionally well. I'm getting a medal made up for you now.

Exactly, and by going back to how it was before, there will be far less congestion because traffic can filter West more easily, just like it did before the new slip road.

Do you not see that the problem is caused by traffic not be able to exit the new slip road quickly and efficiently enough?

No that was the problem before! The problem now is people using the new road layout incorrectly by ignoring the slip road, and doing the things aftermath mentions. I'm just off for a chat with a brick wall for a bit more sense...

I understand what you're saying but clearly you cannot see anyone's point of view other than your own and do not possess the intelligence to have a proper debate whilst avoiding using patronising comments.

My point is there wasn't a problem before compared to the mess that exists now, so going back to how it was before seems like the obvious solution.

pinkfluff wrote:

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

pronstar wrote:

Fog Based Japery wrote:

uptonX wrote:
Nothing "ignorant" or "against the rules" about using the roundabout when going left towards Malvern. It is currently the only safe way to negotiate that junction, in fact if everyone did that the problem would go away, hence why the cones are a good idea.

You truly are an ignorant idiot aren't you!

No he isn't. The people queuing for the slip road are the ignorant idiots. They cause the dangerous problems with traffic tailing back to the M5 motorway and clagging up the whole area.

UptonX is correct; if everyone did what he or she suggests, there wouldn't be a problem.

Do you not see the new problem you have just created with your solution. These "idiots" queuing for the slip road using the new road layout as it is intended will now just queue for the left hand lane to enter the roundabout..........





.... But good logic there, you've done exceptionally well. I'm getting a medal made up for you now.

Exactly, and by going back to how it was before, there will be far less congestion because traffic can filter West more easily, just like it did before the new slip road.

Do you not see that the problem is caused by traffic not be able to exit the new slip road quickly and efficiently enough?

No that was the problem before! The problem now is people using the new road layout incorrectly by ignoring the slip road, and doing the things aftermath mentions. I'm just off for a chat with a brick wall for a bit more sense...

I understand what you're saying but clearly you cannot see anyone's point of view other than your own and do not possess the intelligence to have a proper debate whilst avoiding using patronising comments.

My point is there wasn't a problem before compared to the mess that exists now, so going back to how it was before seems like the obvious solution.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah springs to mind. Sound familiar Pronstar??

MrWXYZ wrote:
It was definately worse before. The idiots like uptonx and pronstar used to drive right round the roundabout from the right hand lane without indicating to jump the queue - endangering and delaying even more people (whilst probably blaming the road layout and claiming its safest thing to do).

At least this doesn't happen so much now, so if coming from county hall direction you don't get held up so much or have to watch out for so many morons going right round without indicating.

MrWXYZ wrote:
It was definately worse before. The idiots like uptonx and pronstar used to drive right round the roundabout from the right hand lane without indicating to jump the queue - endangering and delaying even more people (whilst probably blaming the road layout and claiming its safest thing to do).

At least this doesn't happen so much now, so if coming from county hall direction you don't get held up so much or have to watch out for so many morons going right round without indicating.

pinkfluff wrote:

MrWXYZ wrote:
It was definately worse before. The idiots like uptonx and pronstar used to drive right round the roundabout from the right hand lane without indicating to jump the queue - endangering and delaying even more people (whilst probably blaming the road layout and claiming its safest thing to do).

At least this doesn't happen so much now, so if coming from county hall direction you don't get held up so much or have to watch out for so many morons going right round without indicating.

oh I don't need much encouragement to throw my tuppence worth in. :-)

pinkfluff wrote:

pinkfluff wrote:

MrWXYZ wrote:
It was definately worse before. The idiots like uptonx and pronstar used to drive right round the roundabout from the right hand lane without indicating to jump the queue - endangering and delaying even more people (whilst probably blaming the road layout and claiming its safest thing to do).

At least this doesn't happen so much now, so if coming from county hall direction you don't get held up so much or have to watch out for so many morons going right round without indicating.

oh I don't need much encouragement to throw my tuppence worth in. :-)

meant for pronstar, not you MrWXYZ :-)

pronstar wrote:

pinkfluff wrote:

pinkfluff wrote:

MrWXYZ wrote:
It was definately worse before. The idiots like uptonx and pronstar used to drive right round the roundabout from the right hand lane without indicating to jump the queue - endangering and delaying even more people (whilst probably blaming the road layout and claiming its safest thing to do).

At least this doesn't happen so much now, so if coming from county hall direction you don't get held up so much or have to watch out for so many morons going right round without indicating.

oh I don't need much encouragement to throw my tuppence worth in. :-)

meant for pronstar, not you MrWXYZ :-)

Do you want me to report you to Murray Kelso for stalking?

Landy44 wrote:
OMG - Some of you really are wallowing at the bottom of the gene pool! How did you even pass a driving test (actually I think I could probably spot you by the way you push a trolley around Tescos).

Abide by the law, follow the highway code, and be courteous to other drivers whilst driving appropriately to your vehicle and the prevailing conditions.

It MAY be your opinion that the slip road is unsafe, but the fact remains - IT IS THERE! Get over it and use the road properly.

That means USING The slip road whilst exercising due care and attenion. NOT jumping the queue and turning left at the roundabout like someone with an IQ less than an amoeba.

YES, the junction is poorly designed and poorly executed.
YES, the highways department, council, or whoever should be fired.
YES, a TV crew should film it for a while to see the problem.
YES, WN should grow a pair and feature this issue properly.
YES, it needs to be fixed.
But, NO you don't have to act like idiots in the meantime.

chrism wrote:

Hillbilly1 wrote:

aftermath wrote:
One of the 'problems' that I have witnessed quite regularly is people who are using the slip road waiting for traffic coming around the roundabout are suddenly confronted by morons skipping past the slip road and turning left off the inside lane of the main carriageway, it is often these vehicles which are difficult to see until the last minute, that are causing the problems. Of course we must understand that the drivers of these vehicles have the divine right to get to wherever they are going before the drivers who are conforming to the rules.

Drivers who do this are comforming to the rules. They are simply approaching a traffic island, giving way to traffic coming around the island, and then making a perfectly legal left turn.
What I find most concerning about this road design is that it hasnt made a blind bit of difference to the congestion. I came through here on Friday last week and the traffic was queueing to the motorway island just like it used to before! I took the right hand lane, and made a perfectly legal entry to the island, went right round the island and then left down the bypass.
One of the main problems with this junction is that there are now three lanes entering the junction, the majority of the traffic turns left, but only has one lane, often leaving two lanes totally free for the minority of traffic travelling into the city via London Road or turning into Whittington. Surely the traffic surveys should have identified that ??

Hillbilly1 wrote:
I came through here on Friday last week and the traffic was queueing to the motorway island just like it used to before! I took the right hand lane, and made a perfectly legal entry to the island, went right round the island and then left down the bypass.

Well done you. You do realise that by doing that you're part of the problem, not part of the solution? No wonder the congestion is just as bad as ever when selfish people are still doing that. It might be legal, but it's also extremely selfish - why are you so much more important than anybody else?
Though irrespective of whether people are driving badly or not, the new road layout is still rubbish. Yes it is possible to use the slip road safely if you are a good driver, but you're also relying on the other drivers behind you being good. The problem with it is that it's neither one thing nor the other - with a standard T-junction you can look to the right to check for traffic - with a standard slip road you can use your mirrors to check for traffic (though a life-saver is always a good idea even in a car). With this slip road you have to look over your shoulder to check for traffic as you can't see it in your mirrors. It's also so obvious how to make it better - simply extend the slip road further down the hill so that you can merge as with a standard slip road - there is actually plenty of verge space available to make this change, so I can't understand why the highly paid traffic engineers have such difficulty doing their jobs properly.

Hillbilly1 wrote:

chrism wrote:

Hillbilly1 wrote:

aftermath wrote:
One of the 'problems' that I have witnessed quite regularly is people who are using the slip road waiting for traffic coming around the roundabout are suddenly confronted by morons skipping past the slip road and turning left off the inside lane of the main carriageway, it is often these vehicles which are difficult to see until the last minute, that are causing the problems. Of course we must understand that the drivers of these vehicles have the divine right to get to wherever they are going before the drivers who are conforming to the rules.

Drivers who do this are comforming to the rules. They are simply approaching a traffic island, giving way to traffic coming around the island, and then making a perfectly legal left turn.
What I find most concerning about this road design is that it hasnt made a blind bit of difference to the congestion. I came through here on Friday last week and the traffic was queueing to the motorway island just like it used to before! I took the right hand lane, and made a perfectly legal entry to the island, went right round the island and then left down the bypass.
One of the main problems with this junction is that there are now three lanes entering the junction, the majority of the traffic turns left, but only has one lane, often leaving two lanes totally free for the minority of traffic travelling into the city via London Road or turning into Whittington. Surely the traffic surveys should have identified that ??

Hillbilly1 wrote:
I came through here on Friday last week and the traffic was queueing to the motorway island just like it used to before! I took the right hand lane, and made a perfectly legal entry to the island, went right round the island and then left down the bypass.

Well done you. You do realise that by doing that you're part of the problem, not part of the solution? No wonder the congestion is just as bad as ever when selfish people are still doing that. It might be legal, but it's also extremely selfish - why are you so much more important than anybody else?
Though irrespective of whether people are driving badly or not, the new road layout is still rubbish. Yes it is possible to use the slip road safely if you are a good driver, but you're also relying on the other drivers behind you being good. The problem with it is that it's neither one thing nor the other - with a standard T-junction you can look to the right to check for traffic - with a standard slip road you can use your mirrors to check for traffic (though a life-saver is always a good idea even in a car). With this slip road you have to look over your shoulder to check for traffic as you can't see it in your mirrors. It's also so obvious how to make it better - simply extend the slip road further down the hill so that you can merge as with a standard slip road - there is actually plenty of verge space available to make this change, so I can't understand why the highly paid traffic engineers have such difficulty doing their jobs properly.

thank you but I don't need or want congratulations for doing something so simple as negotiating a junction in a perfectly safe and legal fashion. Whats selfish about it? If everyone waited in the left hand lane, then the traffic would be queueing back through the motorway junction, holding up traffic coming off the slip roads, and causing even worse congestion. By spreading the flow across two (and now three lanes) helps keep the congestion limited to the area between motorway and the badly designed traffic island.
And I am rather concerned about your comment that "with this slip road you have to check over your shoulder to check for traffic" That suggests you don't do that on every slip road! Your idea about making the slip road longer is flawed, the traffic flow is too high, and would simply just extend the run in area, which would still nee to be governed by a Give Way sign. The answer is far simpler, return the junction to a basic traffic island, like it was before.

pronstar wrote:

Hillbilly1 wrote:

chrism wrote:

Hillbilly1 wrote:

aftermath wrote:
One of the 'problems' that I have witnessed quite regularly is people who are using the slip road waiting for traffic coming around the roundabout are suddenly confronted by morons skipping past the slip road and turning left off the inside lane of the main carriageway, it is often these vehicles which are difficult to see until the last minute, that are causing the problems. Of course we must understand that the drivers of these vehicles have the divine right to get to wherever they are going before the drivers who are conforming to the rules.

Drivers who do this are comforming to the rules. They are simply approaching a traffic island, giving way to traffic coming around the island, and then making a perfectly legal left turn.
What I find most concerning about this road design is that it hasnt made a blind bit of difference to the congestion. I came through here on Friday last week and the traffic was queueing to the motorway island just like it used to before! I took the right hand lane, and made a perfectly legal entry to the island, went right round the island and then left down the bypass.
One of the main problems with this junction is that there are now three lanes entering the junction, the majority of the traffic turns left, but only has one lane, often leaving two lanes totally free for the minority of traffic travelling into the city via London Road or turning into Whittington. Surely the traffic surveys should have identified that ??

Hillbilly1 wrote:
I came through here on Friday last week and the traffic was queueing to the motorway island just like it used to before! I took the right hand lane, and made a perfectly legal entry to the island, went right round the island and then left down the bypass.

Well done you. You do realise that by doing that you're part of the problem, not part of the solution? No wonder the congestion is just as bad as ever when selfish people are still doing that. It might be legal, but it's also extremely selfish - why are you so much more important than anybody else?
Though irrespective of whether people are driving badly or not, the new road layout is still rubbish. Yes it is possible to use the slip road safely if you are a good driver, but you're also relying on the other drivers behind you being good. The problem with it is that it's neither one thing nor the other - with a standard T-junction you can look to the right to check for traffic - with a standard slip road you can use your mirrors to check for traffic (though a life-saver is always a good idea even in a car). With this slip road you have to look over your shoulder to check for traffic as you can't see it in your mirrors. It's also so obvious how to make it better - simply extend the slip road further down the hill so that you can merge as with a standard slip road - there is actually plenty of verge space available to make this change, so I can't understand why the highly paid traffic engineers have such difficulty doing their jobs properly.

thank you but I don't need or want congratulations for doing something so simple as negotiating a junction in a perfectly safe and legal fashion. Whats selfish about it? If everyone waited in the left hand lane, then the traffic would be queueing back through the motorway junction, holding up traffic coming off the slip roads, and causing even worse congestion. By spreading the flow across two (and now three lanes) helps keep the congestion limited to the area between motorway and the badly designed traffic island.
And I am rather concerned about your comment that "with this slip road you have to check over your shoulder to check for traffic" That suggests you don't do that on every slip road! Your idea about making the slip road longer is flawed, the traffic flow is too high, and would simply just extend the run in area, which would still nee to be governed by a Give Way sign. The answer is far simpler, return the junction to a basic traffic island, like it was before.

Exactly right. Glad there are a few on here that can see sense.

Well done to Lisa Ventura and her group for taking this to the Council. Keep up the campaign, there are at least some people who appreciate what you're doing.

pronstar wrote:

Hillbilly1 wrote:

chrism wrote:

Hillbilly1 wrote:

aftermath wrote:
One of the 'problems' that I have witnessed quite regularly is people who are using the slip road waiting for traffic coming around the roundabout are suddenly confronted by morons skipping past the slip road and turning left off the inside lane of the main carriageway, it is often these vehicles which are difficult to see until the last minute, that are causing the problems. Of course we must understand that the drivers of these vehicles have the divine right to get to wherever they are going before the drivers who are conforming to the rules.

Drivers who do this are comforming to the rules. They are simply approaching a traffic island, giving way to traffic coming around the island, and then making a perfectly legal left turn.
What I find most concerning about this road design is that it hasnt made a blind bit of difference to the congestion. I came through here on Friday last week and the traffic was queueing to the motorway island just like it used to before! I took the right hand lane, and made a perfectly legal entry to the island, went right round the island and then left down the bypass.
One of the main problems with this junction is that there are now three lanes entering the junction, the majority of the traffic turns left, but only has one lane, often leaving two lanes totally free for the minority of traffic travelling into the city via London Road or turning into Whittington. Surely the traffic surveys should have identified that ??

Hillbilly1 wrote:
I came through here on Friday last week and the traffic was queueing to the motorway island just like it used to before! I took the right hand lane, and made a perfectly legal entry to the island, went right round the island and then left down the bypass.

Well done you. You do realise that by doing that you're part of the problem, not part of the solution? No wonder the congestion is just as bad as ever when selfish people are still doing that. It might be legal, but it's also extremely selfish - why are you so much more important than anybody else?
Though irrespective of whether people are driving badly or not, the new road layout is still rubbish. Yes it is possible to use the slip road safely if you are a good driver, but you're also relying on the other drivers behind you being good. The problem with it is that it's neither one thing nor the other - with a standard T-junction you can look to the right to check for traffic - with a standard slip road you can use your mirrors to check for traffic (though a life-saver is always a good idea even in a car). With this slip road you have to look over your shoulder to check for traffic as you can't see it in your mirrors. It's also so obvious how to make it better - simply extend the slip road further down the hill so that you can merge as with a standard slip road - there is actually plenty of verge space available to make this change, so I can't understand why the highly paid traffic engineers have such difficulty doing their jobs properly.

thank you but I don't need or want congratulations for doing something so simple as negotiating a junction in a perfectly safe and legal fashion. Whats selfish about it? If everyone waited in the left hand lane, then the traffic would be queueing back through the motorway junction, holding up traffic coming off the slip roads, and causing even worse congestion. By spreading the flow across two (and now three lanes) helps keep the congestion limited to the area between motorway and the badly designed traffic island.
And I am rather concerned about your comment that "with this slip road you have to check over your shoulder to check for traffic" That suggests you don't do that on every slip road! Your idea about making the slip road longer is flawed, the traffic flow is too high, and would simply just extend the run in area, which would still nee to be governed by a Give Way sign. The answer is far simpler, return the junction to a basic traffic island, like it was before.

Exactly right. Glad there are a few on here that can see sense.

Well done to Lisa Ventura and her group for taking this to the Council. Keep up the campaign, there are at least some people who appreciate what you're doing.

spin bowler wrote:
We have to remember that this junction “improvement” is Worcester Council’s way of preparing for the future, not addressing the past issues. This is their way of getting the road ready for the development along the A4449 that will bring a further 2500 houses (so think 5000 extra cars) and a n umber of large flagship businesses.
This is also only phase 1, get ready for their attempts to improve the Ketch Island too, starting any time soon. These bizarre slip roads have all come about because they won’t accept the need to dual the A4449 as it will mean a new bridge.
You ain’t seen nothing yet....

uptonX wrote:
^^ Exactly as said above, well done to Lisa Ventura and lets keep this going until the sliproad is closed. Also we need to ensure the morons responsible for putting our lives in danger with this incompetent "improvement" are held to account and action is taken so they can't do something like this again.

Redhillman wrote:
So, did anyone from the highways department attend this meeting or did they maintain their ignorant and arrogant behaviour and refused to attend? Basically sticking up their middle finger towards the public.

uptonX wrote:
^^ Exactly as said above, well done to Lisa Ventura and lets keep this going until the sliproad is closed. Also we need to ensure the morons responsible for putting our lives in danger with this incompetent "improvement" are held to account and action is taken so they can't do something like this again.

Hillbilly1 wrote:
Totally agree, an unsafe road junction, paid for by us, has been imposed on us, and for what reason? So, I applaud all those who look for a safer way to navigate the junction, and if this causes concern to the city council and the highway department, then good! Maybe something will be done then. Meanwhile I will carry on as usual in the hope that they take notice and do something. Queue jumping? No, I would never consider cutting back into the queue of traffic waiting to turn left. I see a few people doing that, its dangerous. I queue avoid altogether. In fact at times, being in the right hand lane, I just travel on down the London Road and back up the Bath Road having cut through on the Battenhall / Timberdine rat-run. I suppose you'd consider that selfish too??

MrWXYZ wrote:

Hillbilly1 wrote:
Totally agree, an unsafe road junction, paid for by us, has been imposed on us, and for what reason? So, I applaud all those who look for a safer way to navigate the junction, and if this causes concern to the city council and the highway department, then good! Maybe something will be done then. Meanwhile I will carry on as usual in the hope that they take notice and do something. Queue jumping? No, I would never consider cutting back into the queue of traffic waiting to turn left. I see a few people doing that, its dangerous. I queue avoid altogether. In fact at times, being in the right hand lane, I just travel on down the London Road and back up the Bath Road having cut through on the Battenhall / Timberdine rat-run. I suppose you'd consider that selfish too??

why would using a roundabout as its been designed be selfish? The straight ahead lanes are for going straight ahead. If you do that you are driving properly! (so you can at times at least)

sdhggfdsfg wrote:
I have read these postings with some interest. However there is one piece of silliness which has prompted my to register just to that I can answer. When there are two lanes joining a roundabout it is not possible to be in the middle lane. This is just plain not possible. I despair at the educational standard of the poster who keeps refer to the middle lane when there are two lanes. Unbelievable!

WilkoJ wrote:

Redhillman wrote:
So, did anyone from the highways department attend this meeting or did they maintain their ignorant and arrogant behaviour and refused to attend? Basically sticking up their middle finger towards the public.

Does anyone know if the highways staff turned up?

Hillbilly1 wrote:
Totally agree, an unsafe road junction, paid for by us, has been imposed on us, and for what reason? So, I applaud all those who look for a safer way to navigate the junction, and if this causes concern to the city council and the highway department, then good! Maybe something will be done then. Meanwhile I will carry on as usual in the hope that they take notice and do something.

Queue jumping? No, I would never consider cutting back into the queue of traffic waiting to turn left. I see a few people doing that, its dangerous. I queue avoid altogether. In fact at times, being in the right hand lane, I just travel on down the London Road and back up the Bath Road having cut through on the Battenhall / Timberdine rat-run. I suppose you'd consider that selfish too??

dolly woman wrote:
I think that the junction is ok now. The problem is idiots who do not turn left into the slip road and join from the dual carriageway and then turn left. This has nearly caught me out several times. Why are some people such idiots for the sake of a few minutes.

uptonX wrote:

dolly woman wrote:
I think that the junction is ok now. The problem is idiots who do not turn left into the slip road and join from the dual carriageway and then turn left. This has nearly caught me out several times. Why are some people such idiots for the sake of a few minutes.

You just don't understand do you. Those of "idiots" who use the roundabout when turning left do it not to save time but to save our necks and our cars. It's often actually slower because we are "cut up" by people who ignore the give way on the sliproad. The danger on the sliproad is the driver behind you when you stop at the give way. They are looking over their shoulder or in their mirrors as they would on a normal sliproad to see if it's safe to merge - then -bang. If you are lucky they are going slow enough that only the back of your car is damaged, if not then you are pushed into the oncoming traffic. THAT is why the sliproad should not be used and an increasing number of us will not use it.

uptonX wrote:

dolly woman wrote:
I think that the junction is ok now. The problem is idiots who do not turn left into the slip road and join from the dual carriageway and then turn left. This has nearly caught me out several times. Why are some people such idiots for the sake of a few minutes.

You just don't understand do you. Those of "idiots" who use the roundabout when turning left do it not to save time but to save our necks and our cars. It's often actually slower because we are "cut up" by people who ignore the give way on the sliproad. The danger on the sliproad is the driver behind you when you stop at the give way. They are looking over their shoulder or in their mirrors as they would on a normal sliproad to see if it's safe to merge - then -bang. If you are lucky they are going slow enough that only the back of your car is damaged, if not then you are pushed into the oncoming traffic. THAT is why the sliproad should not be used and an increasing number of us will not use it.

MrWXYZ wrote:
I can't believe these 2 empty heads are still trying to justify their selfishness!
You've had several people explain why what you do is actually more dangerous and makes the traffic worse than the slip road yet you still try and justify it. We all know that if london road was blocked and the slip road were clear you'd be straight down the slip road rather than queue'ing for 'safety reasons'.
Chrism hits the nail on the head when he refers to selfish people like you not paying any attention unless it fits the opinion you hold.

Nb turned left on the slip road last night. No issue with car behind me or any other road user using it correctly. However despite being waiting in the queue when halfway out of the slip road I nearly ended up with an idiot on top of me who'd turned left incorrectly out of the roundabout without indicating.

And further comment to uptonx - maybe these people who you feel are cutting you up on the slip road have spotted the manouvre you are pulling and decided you don't deserve right of way so gone infront anyway. Doesnt mean its safe, but if you ignore the rules of the road to queue jump don't moan if someone who was previously ahead of you ignores the rules of the road to go back infront of you!

MrWXYZ wrote:
Edible dog - 'never a blameless accident'. So drive properly rather than driving in a manner to cause accidents.

UptonX - 'will certainly result in someone being killed there'. Pushing out in queue likely to kill someone, driving incorrectly off a roundabout not?

Pronstar - I repeat Chrism hits the nail on the head when he refers to selfish people like you not paying any attention unless it fits the opinion you hold.
Plenty of people voiced views of using the roundabout properly, and backing up their points. Not seen anything that hasn't been counter argued to back up using the roundabout problem. The counter argument to it not being safe is its quicker for everyone. And the counter argument to it not being quicker for everyone is its safer.

pronstar wrote:

MrWXYZ wrote: Edible dog - 'never a blameless accident'. So drive properly rather than driving in a manner to cause accidents. UptonX - 'will certainly result in someone being killed there'. Pushing out in queue likely to kill someone, driving incorrectly off a roundabout not? Pronstar - I repeat Chrism hits the nail on the head when he refers to selfish people like you not paying any attention unless it fits the opinion you hold. Plenty of people voiced views of using the roundabout properly, and backing up their points. Not seen anything that hasn't been counter argued to back up using the roundabout problem. The counter argument to it not being safe is its quicker for everyone. And the counter argument to it not being quicker for everyone is its safer.

What would you do if the council did decide to cone off the slip road? Would you still try and go down it, safe in the knowledge that you're the righteous one and everyone else is in the wrong? Or would you petition for its reinstatement?

MrWXYZ wrote:

pronstar wrote:

MrWXYZ wrote: Edible dog - 'never a blameless accident'. So drive properly rather than driving in a manner to cause accidents. UptonX - 'will certainly result in someone being killed there'. Pushing out in queue likely to kill someone, driving incorrectly off a roundabout not? Pronstar - I repeat Chrism hits the nail on the head when he refers to selfish people like you not paying any attention unless it fits the opinion you hold. Plenty of people voiced views of using the roundabout properly, and backing up their points. Not seen anything that hasn't been counter argued to back up using the roundabout problem. The counter argument to it not being safe is its quicker for everyone. And the counter argument to it not being quicker for everyone is its safer.

What would you do if the council did decide to cone off the slip road? Would you still try and go down it, safe in the knowledge that you're the righteous one and everyone else is in the wrong? Or would you petition for its reinstatement?

If it was coned off it would be shut and incorrect to use.
This would make it back to the old layout with 2 lanes approaching it. The left of these 2 being the correct one to use, and using it would not be queue jumping or posing a danger to people on the slip road.
This means that most people currently using the roundabout to turn left would revert to using the right hand lane and going right round the roundabout, jamming it up even more like it used to be.

MrWXYZ wrote:
I'd say you are making yourself look foolish with that irrelevant question then talking about an argument of the situation being worse. I've just wasted goodness knows how many characters pointing out that you're way of approaching the new layout is selfish and creates the main danger. You seem to have missed all this (or conveniently forgotten) as after your irrelevant question you seem to to think you have only argued about whether the situation is worse or not.

Dont usually resort to capitals but you seem to have struggled to read lower case:
THE ROUNDABOUT LAYOUT IS WHAT IT IS. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS ABOUT IT THEN DEAL WITH IT BY DRIVING PROPERLY.
DON'T ENDANGER AND DELAY OTHER ROAD USERS BY BEING A SELFISH MORON THEN ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY THIS WITH THOUGHTLESS COMMENTS